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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Couldn't be because there is an omnipotent intelligence who created the physical universe and can use it however He wants. It could be but so far there has never been any evidence that He exists or can do anything or is very intelligent.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You talk like that and pretend to be a Christian. Yuck.
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No, I would say that is a miracle. It just wouldn't be scientific. And I wouldn't know it. But I'd believe it.
If, otoh, we could repeat it and test it scientifically, then I would conclude that we were studying some kind of natural phenomenon.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You're a fine one to talk. You deny that the Flood was a miracle, don't you? You're the biggest miracle-denier on EvC.
Couldn't be because there is an omnipotent intelligence who created the physical universe and can use it however He wants.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: You talk like that and pretend to be a Christian. Yuck. I don't pretend to be a Christian Faith, I am a Christian. Once again reality shows you are simply wrong.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ringo writes: The dictionaries don't talk about "breaking the laws of physics" either. They describe miracles as seeming to be inexplicable by our current understanding of the laws of nature. quote: quote: quote: quote: quote: Etc etcJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Your quotes confirm what I said: "appears inexplicable", ""attributed to a divine agency", "believed to be caused by God", etc. No mention at all of impossibility, just unfounded assumptions.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ringo writes: I'd be asking the priest how he did it. He says that he just asked god to do it and he's as surprised as you are.
And I'd be examining the YouTube videos for clues. There are 500 videos from multiple angles and several thousand eye witnesses all showing and telling the same thing. The RAF was scrambled and followed the bridge until it left the earth's atmosphere. They have photographs of laughing cherubs frolicking on the bridge and a man in a beard is looking on from a cloud.
Have you heard of the Scientific Method at all? What more scientific evidence do you require? I can give you anyting you ask for - what will it take? Or is it that once again all you're saying is that you believe that miracles are impossible?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
We need something to tie the cherubs and the bearded man to reality. Suggest a series of experiments.
What more scientific evidence do you require? I can give you anyting you ask for - what will it take?
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The problem is if we limit reality to things we can explain or describe. Reality may well extend beyond our ability to define.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Is there some reason the Flood has to be a miracle? Seems to me it left clear physical evidence and creationists don't treat it as a miracle, they try to explain it by physical events.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ringo writes: No mention at all of impossibility breaking natural/scientific laws=impossible
quote: EtcJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No doubt reality does extend beyond our current ability to define it. That's why there are still unanswered questions. But we did figure out flashlights eventually. Is there any reason to think there is something we can never figure out?
The problem is if we limit reality to things we can explain or describe. Reality may well extend beyond our ability to define.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Is there any reason to think there is something we can never figure out? Yes. For one thing, we are limited creatures. There is surely more than one thing that we may never figure out.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ringo writes: We need something to tie the cherubs and the bearded man to reality. Suggest a series of experiments. We ask the priest to do it again with London bridge. This time the scientist have every bit of equipment imaginable. It all checks out. They capture a cherub. It's tricky because basically he can go anywhere he wants anytime he likes, but he decides to stick around and be tested. He's definitely not natural and he tells you in ancient hebrew that he works from the god of Abraham and takes a team from NASA to check out the Pearly Gates. Need anything else?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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