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Phat
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Message 121 of 300 (823860)
11-18-2017 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Minnemooseus
11-17-2017 11:08 PM


Re: Painful as it is - Bump
I don't know the specifics of Franken's case, but it does seem that more women are speaking out en masse lately...perhaps he just got caught up in the crossfire. He admitted his mistakes right away, however. We need good Democrats in office to counter the Republican menace.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Message 129 of 300 (823960)
11-20-2017 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Percy
11-20-2017 12:31 PM


Re: Franken's Got to Go
Percy writes:
I like Al Franken. I liked him as a comedian and I like him as a politician. But we can't tolerate sexual predators, and especially not in positions of considerable responsibility. Franken's gotta go.
I liked this tweet found further down the page about the photographer quote being fake:: "The people defending Al Franken are as pathetic as you defending Roy Moore. You all make this country so much worse." We can't be the kind of people who say, "Sure he's a creep, but he's our creep." We're better than that.
Draining the swamp should begin with the public. If the stories can be validated, I agree that Franken should go, as should Roy Moore. Politics should have nothing to do with any of this, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with it.
And I won't take sides.
add by Edit: The whole issue of media being truthful and verifiable is the real issue in this whole affair, as well as with Roy Moore. Our culture is involved in a war of ideas, beliefs, ideologies, and politics. The question is how do we get to the truth amidst so much information, accusal, and counter defense?
Edited by Phat, : added thought

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 152 of 300 (824406)
11-28-2017 3:41 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Minnemooseus
11-28-2017 1:02 AM


Franken: Hold Your Ground But Be Honest
My gut feeling on the whole affair is that Franken was a victim (a guilty one to be sure) who was found with skeletons in his closet (though they were minor, they were useable) and that he is handling the situation well. I almost feel that the salvo came about because of Roy Moores scandal on the Republican side. Each side is lobbing potshots to try and oust seated congressmen and senators and prevent new ones from replacing them--if the opposition party benefits.
It is politics at its usual dirty best.
Not to say that Franken isn't guilty---which he wisely admitted--but waiting for the ethics committee and holding his ground appear to be good strategies for now.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 162 of 300 (824464)
11-29-2017 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Minnemooseus
11-29-2017 3:07 AM


Re: Guilty by statistics
Percy writes:
You're doing what the Moore and Trump supporters are doing, supporting your guy. Integrity has to start somewhere, why not with the Democrats?
Look, I'm a Minnesotan and may very well be biased here. Might others from elsewhere, having a better grasp of the big picture, give (an unbiased opinion) of Franken's level of being a good and effective Democratic Senator?
Of all the Democratic Senators, who are the ones that the right wing would most like to bring down/get rid of? Is Franken high on the list? Certainly, he is a lot easier to smear that Elizabeth Warren.
edited for context~Phat
And the question is which issue we should be focused on? The integrity of the Democrats or the political war to gain seats of power?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 167 of 300 (824493)
11-29-2017 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Percy
11-29-2017 4:20 PM


Re: Et tu, Garrison Keillor
And why are all of the women in the country suddenly coming out with this stuff at the same time? Were men really pigs all along?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 186 of 300 (825000)
12-06-2017 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Percy
12-06-2017 11:15 AM


Re: Franken: Resign Now
I think I agree. These allegations do not sound staged...they sound genuine.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 197 of 300 (825057)
12-06-2017 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Rrhain
12-06-2017 2:54 PM


Re: Seventh Time, Percy
Percy likely does not have the natural sympathy for you as he does for these women. Rightly or Wrongly.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 215 of 300 (825441)
12-14-2017 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Rrhain
12-14-2017 10:29 PM


Assault and Pepper Spray
When you say you "believe the women," what does that mean?
I'll jump in. When someone says that they believe the women, they are saying that if the women perceived the incident as sexual than it was in fact sexual. Had Franken challenged the women rather than publically apologizing to anyone and everyone, it may have turned out differently. Note that you confronted your antagonist immediately after the play. In Franken's case, however, the incident was unknown to him until now. Your assailant claimed that she had no idea that she had assaulted you. He likely felt the same way. Of course, i am speculating, here...I have no insight into the truth of the matter.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 217 of 300 (825452)
12-15-2017 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Rrhain
12-15-2017 12:33 AM


Re: Assault and Pepper Spray
Is it not possible to simultaneously believe both the accusers and Franken? That the situation is complicated?
Complicated is a good word for it. When we have a situation involving two adults, how would an ethics committee approach any line of questioning?
We have intentions. Actions. And context. For example, if the incident occurred at a party in a social setting, would it be any different than were it at work? And what standards should be set for a member of Congress that are above the standards and ethics expected out of anyone?
I think that trial by media is not a healthy precedent.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 220 of 300 (825460)
12-15-2017 5:17 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by Rrhain
12-15-2017 3:50 AM


Re: Assault and Pepper Spray
given that it was an aggressive move and that it was a sexual move, yes.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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