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Minnemooseus
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Message 7 of 100 (8251)
04-06-2002 6:56 PM


OK, here's the main Talk.Origins page on the dino/human hoo-ha:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html
There's a good supply of sub-pages there also, to click to.
Moose
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Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

  
Minnemooseus
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Message 89 of 100 (8723)
04-19-2002 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by wj
04-19-2002 8:31 PM


What the hay, here's Joe's final message there:
quote:
Jeff sez: plus, I have a little speculation that the appeal of this as "folk science" is a means for the common man to take back something that was believed to be co-opted by an oligocracy of scientists who are trying to keep science out of the reach of your average Joe; sort of similar to the 'herbal remedies' vs 'medical science' phenomenon.
JM: Jeff, this is so true and it is partly the fault of scientists and partly the fault of our overall educational system in the US. I notice this in the statement I frequently hear from freshman; "I'm not a science person" or the corrolary "I am not a math person". In the case of the former statement, the more correct for should read "I was a great scientist up until age 6 or so and then I stifled my curiousity or my curiousity was stifled". In the case of the latter, the more correct statement is "I've been told by lots of people that it's ok if I don't understand math, so that must be the case". On the flip side, science has not done a good job of taking its case to the people. The notion that conventional science is an exclusionary effort is entrenched amongst creationists and for good reason. Here you have creation 'scientists' taking their case to the masses with 'good sounding' arguments in one hand, and the HOLY BIBLE in the other. Conventional science buries its head (not all but too many) and says "How can ANYBODY believe such nonsense" and then we go back to our labs, equations and work in oblivious bliss. The environment of the Universities is partly to blame as we are required to 'get funding' and 'publish' and that leaves little time for battling a movement that is perceived by science as nonsensical. In fact, if we took the time to explain a little bit more, participate in exposing the myths and errors of ye-creationism (and other pseudosciences) the creationists would not be so strong politically. Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox by saying that students can and do come out of this funk and when the absurdities of pseudoscience are pointed out to them, the light bulb goes on. Unfortunately, many teachers (not all, but IMO too many), concentrate on 'facts' and 'terms' and fail to explain how either were established. The fun and the joy of science is determining how things work and not memorizing terms.
Cheers
Joe Meert
And Terry's follow up comments:
quote:
No, it was not, wja. I did leave the message up, however, for evidence. I believe that was your complaint before; that the evidence had been removed. I had warned Joe repeatedly concerning the use of denigrating language against his opponent, and the use of the term 'pseudoscience' in particular. This conveys no information, adds nothing to the debate, and serves only to denigrate the opposition. That is not allowed, and will not be allowed, in this group.
Joe is banned from this group due to his inability to be civil. Anyone looking around his other sites can see that this is not an occasional slip, but is his principle method of communication.
When he re-joins under other names, they well be banned as well, and any new posts he makes will be removed.
Terry
Moose
edited to fix: sez
lus to sez: Plus
Moose
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BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe
[This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 04-19-2002]

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