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Author Topic:   Genesis "kinds" may be Nested Hierarchies.
NoNukes
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Message 8 of 218 (821118)
10-02-2017 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dredge
09-28-2017 5:17 AM


I would like to suggest the possibility that "kinds" actually refers to what are known by biologists as "nested hierarchies"
Great. Then we all agree that humans and at least some other apes are all of the same kind.
Glad we got that out of the way.

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NoNukes
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Message 13 of 218 (821168)
10-03-2017 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taq
10-03-2017 12:04 PM


Re: Why Nested Hierarchies?
so why this pattern when there are so many other patterns of shared features to pick from? Until creationists can explain this, they really don't have an argument.
If forced to debate this side, I might use a number of possible thoughts.
1) God created every living thing through some kind of directed evolution.
2) God created some animals from other animals even if he did it all in one day
3) There is a logical reason for things, but we just don't know it.
4) Copied from a working planet somewhere else.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 17 of 218 (821245)
10-04-2017 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Pressie
10-04-2017 7:38 AM


Re: Why Nested Hierarchies?
You missed quite a few other possibilities.
My heart is not really in it...

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 24 of 218 (821425)
10-07-2017 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by RAZD
10-06-2017 2:28 PM


Re: Dredge: yes? Nested Hierarchies = kinds = clades
To my mind genesis is definitely speaking of clades as we define them in biology.
To my mind, someone took a few words from Genesis about animals giving birth to their own kind, a statement that we all agree is factual, and then ran with it off into silly land to interpret it to mean that animals cannot evolve. Quite frankly the entire argument is unnecessary.
Genesis is just saying that after God created the first animals, they were capable of producing more of the same without intervention. Period.
If the earth is only 6000 years old, then animals did not have time to evolve regardless of whether they had the potential to do so. So why take this particular sentence so out of context to try to demonstrate something that is not required to support your belief? It's ridiculous; no more and no less so than everything else in Creation Science.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 154 of 218 (824891)
12-04-2017 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Dredge
12-03-2017 6:49 PM


In the way of an exercise, could a flying pig be fitted into a nested hierarchy?
No, it could not. And guess what? There are no flying pigs.
Why does this thread exist again?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 165 of 218 (825064)
12-07-2017 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Dredge
12-04-2017 7:46 PM


NoNukes writes:
guess what? There are no flying pigs.
Dredge writes:
But they may have existed in the past.
So you are saying that you will have an argument when pigs can fly? Yeah, I agree.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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