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starman Inactive Member |
Yes reactions happened at the sites. Why and when and how is the issue. Gong!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1654 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
quote: Not true unless the rings all grew IN this nature! Gong.
quote: Not unless all rings grew in this present state! Gong!
quote: False. Rings only equal years or seasons as long as the tree was growing in the present nature! You are spinning your wheels here, missing the whole point. Which just means that all the dendrochronological evidence exists "IN this nature!" and that any different nature state in this time is a fantasy. FAIL #16
quote:Doesn't matter if the variations were within the day or week as they would have to be in the former nature. Except that those rings are exactly similar to annual rings and entirely different from intermittent type rings. But your problem is not just with inventing an imaginary system of magic ring growth that looks identical to annual growth rings ... but the changing levels of 14C within those rings somehow matches the levels of 14C in lake varves (Suigetsu) and marine varves (Cariaco) with layers of diatoms (Suigetsu) or foraminifera (Cariaco) alternating with layers of clay and fine silts -- material that does not settle fast. Why do those 14C levels match for the same annual counted rings or layers? In a way that exactly mimics what we expect to find if the "IN this nature!" were the case. Dropping exponentially as the older layers/rings are tested.
quote: Maybe write this down, you keep missing it...BECAUSE the rings were not all grown in this present state! ... Congratulation, you've contradicted yourself and your "present state" now extends 36,000 years into the past. With no discernible evidence of any previous type if nature, and now confirming the exponential decay of 14C and the validity of 14C dating.
... The onus is on you to show cause and to provide supporting evidence for your claimed same nature existing in the far past on earth. In this you have failed miserably. Except ... once again, it's already done: that evidence is in this thread, and all you have to do is read it. Fail @17 Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1654 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I read the Oklo fable many times and you can't support it. Give it up! Fail #18 bald assertions like this are not an argument, all you have is your silly opinion.
As for your halo thing..I don't believe you. You would have posted the great proof or point in a sentence or two here by now. You got nothing. Again there is a whole thread (Are Uranium Halos the best evidence of (a) an old earth AND (b) constant physics?) dedicated to this and you are too scared to look at it. There are 44 posts I have made on that thread, and only a person with no idea of the issue would think it could be condensed to "a sentence or two" ... Fail #19. So far all you have posted are vapid opinions devoid of evidence and that don't even rise to the level of a scientific hypothesis. At best it is poor science fiction written by someone ignorant of science. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1654 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
My assertion is that science does not know the state of the past on earth. You help prove that assertion is absolutely true. Thanks for that. Still no evidence to substantiate that fantasy. A moth fluttering around the flame of knowledge, trying desperately to put it out with your wing flappings. Fail #20. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : ..lolby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
starman writes: Yes reactions happened at the sites. Why and when and how is the issue. Gong! No, the issue was your stupid claim that we had no evidence that the processes were the same in the past as they are now. We have Oklo. We win and you remain a loser.
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
starman writes:
We know that the Bible is fiction because it doesn't match reality. There were no plants before sunlight. The Bible is just wrong about that, and about a thousand other things.
You have then no reason to doubt the different past recorded in history and Scripture are wrong...or right...or anything.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1654 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
As for your halo thing..I don't believe you. You would have posted the great proof or point in a sentence or two here by now. You got nothing. Curiously I wrote a special post to summarize this just for you. It's a little more than a couple of sentences. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Modulous Member (Idle past 234 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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My assertion is that science does not know the state of the past on earth. It depends on your epistemological stance, I suppose. Using the epistemological stance that science takes, scientists do indeed know things about the past on earth. One could hypothesise some kind of Omphalism (a past where some abrupt change in the nature of reality results in a world that appears old, but actually its not as old as we think), but there is no reason to suppose that is true - there is no causal mechanism that can be identified that would result in a Omphalistic universe. It would require either a tremendously improbable coincidence of events or a stupendously deceptive and powerful agent that conspired to generate patterns that appear to be consistent with a certain past. Neither is evidenced. Any related hyperskepticism, quickly falls into madness. Where do you draw the line between the known and the unknown? How can you draw a line? How can you say you know anything once you start down this path?
quote: What we can say is that if we suppose that the fundamental units of the universe work today as they did yesterday, and the day before etc., a consistent, coherent, useful understanding of the world and the universe forms. We can make reasoned inferences on the location of resources, the prevalence of certain elements, the future of our sun and other stars. They all tie together into a coherent understanding of the world and our existence. Omphalistic objections simply become...ahem...naval gazing exercises with no illumination, understanding or utility to be gained. In science you say 'if this is true, it implies this other thing....let's check that other thing, hrm that other thing is so. This lends credibility to the hypothetical that started this. If that other thing is true AND if this addition idea is true, then that would suggest....' - this reasoning leads us to explanations. The reason y is the case, is because s,t,u,v,w and x result in y. s,t,u,v,w and x appear to be so due to observations a,b,c,d,e and f. It is always possible that some alternative hypothesis is actually the truth, but there comes a point when that possibility requires sufficiently unreasonable propositions that run counter to our observations and this, in the epistemologies that scientists use, means we can say 'we know'. We might be wrong. And one can always think of a variety of hypothetical possibilities which would result in us being wrong, but until observations suggest those hypothetical possibilities have any correspondence to reality - we can stick to using verb 'to know' for the sake of communication. As with solipsistic objections, Omphalistic type objections are an obviously foolish way to proceed. As you also say:
We know lots of details from the last few hundred years Since you opened the door to Omphalism I could just reductio ad absurdum you and say that we don't know any details from the last few hundred years due to Last Thursdayism.
quote: Either the verb 'to know' has some meaning and we can use it, or it does not. Your perspective, whether you realize it or not - renders the verb meaningless or at least useless. Science's perspective gives us a reasonable use for the verb.
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starman Inactive Member |
Rings that grew in hours look similar to ones that grow in this state in say a year. Not sure what you thought you should see? Spell it out? As for your imaginary 36,000 years, show us the basis for that date? Radioactive decay? Overlapping rings from the former nature..?? Be clear.
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starman Inactive Member |
No actual point on halos you can concisely post here eh? Let's face it, that is just another facet of your same nature in the past belief set. Different head...same monster. I have a one sword slays all, thankfully.
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starman Inactive Member |
I have Oklo. You have religion and fables about Oklo. Yu failed to prove a same nature in the past and you may NOT use one in models for the past. Evermore.
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starman Inactive Member |
Maybe some poster will cite it so we can look at it one day. We wait.
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Taq Member Posts: 10295 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
starman writes: Rings that grew in hours look similar to ones that grow in this state in say a year. That is entirely made up.
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starman Inactive Member |
Nice dance skirting issues. Now show us HOW science knows!
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starman Inactive Member |
What is made up is that the same nature existed where they grew slow like now. Prove it.
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