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starman Inactive Member |
Whatever there was or was not need not concern you since you don't know. You try to limit the future and past to the mere constraints of the current world. How drool.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
starman writes:
What else do you use?
You try to limit the future and past to the mere constraints of the current world.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You know that it is that way NOW! In the far past, say in the bristle-cone pines, if there were some visibly different rings, we would not know what caused them today! We know that the pattern of the widths is very consistent showing consistent growth with modern days. There are no significantly visibly different rings that what is observed from normal climate variations. Not in either of the two Bristlecone Pine chronologies nor in the two European Oak chronologies. Making up fantasy is not an argument, it is fantasy. Fantasies don't explain correlations -- such as the correlations of rings with carbon-14 content in the rings across all four chronologies. Which continues with the lake and maring varves. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Naturally ice layers would have also been different. Your correlations are flawed and all based on the present nature! What is your evidence? Do you know the detail of evidence of annual layers in the ice cores? Assertion and opinion have shown remarkably little success in changing reality. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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starman Inactive Member |
Ha. Why use anything unless you know? Why use a same state past, or the tooth fairy to tell us what the unknown was like? Just admit ignorance.
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starman Inactive Member |
I seem to remember you could not even so much as produce a good pic of the inner tree rings for the bristlecone despite, if I recall having a family member in the field? Ha. Now you want to tell us that it all looks alike?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Whatever there was or was not need not concern you since you don't know. You try to limit the future and past to the mere constraints of the current world. Except that we do know what the evidence shows, and what it shows is consistent old age from one measuring system to another. Can you explain that consistency -- why they all come to the same results with high degrees of consilience? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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starman Inactive Member |
We know lots of details from the last few hundred years. You have no details for the far past though.
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starman Inactive Member |
Name a specific example of something that is consistent? Tree rings you can't even show us from 5000 years ago apparently! Ha. If you did, then what, you expect some weird bug anomaly there? Noah endured the nature change, and he probably looked much the same!
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
starman writes:
Because we have no reason to think that reality has magically changed. If water is wet today, it seems reasonable to assume it was wet a million years ago. Why wouldn't you?
Why use anything unless you know? starman writes:
Creationists don't.
Just admit ignorance.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I seem to remember you could not even so much as produce a good pic of the inner tree rings for the bristlecone despite, if I recall having a family member in the field? Ha. ... You appear to confuse me with someone else.
... Now you want to tell us that it all looks alike? The pattern is consistent from year to year, decade to decade, millennia to millennia. Curiously the tree rings can be observed for the because it was cut down to count the rings.
quote: And you can also observe with your own eyes their consistent character of annual growth rings. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
We know lots of details from the last few hundred years. You have no details for the far past though. So you have no evidence, not even a shred to support your wild fantasy imaginings. Fail. Not debating in good faith. Typical. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I asked you:
"Can you explain that consistency -- why they all come to the same results with high degrees of consilience?" Name a specific example of something that is consistent? ... Your answer does not address that question, so I'll take that as no, that you cannot explain the consistency of results from multiple sources. FAIL #2
... Tree rings you can't even show us from 5000 years ago apparently! Ha. If you did, then what, you expect some weird bug anomaly there? ... Sadly, for you, the Bristlecone pine chronologies extend back to over 8,000 years ago with no remarkable change in growth patterns, and dead wood lying on the ground has been there without being floated off by some imaginary magic flood. As noted above you can count the rings on the Prometheus stump, but that is not all: there is another Bristlecone pine that is over 5,070 years old (same reference as above)
quote: That was 5 years ago ... Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
We know. Past events leave traces.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Oklo.
SN1987A. And many more. Our knowledge ranges much farther than your pitiful ignorance.
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