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Author Topic:   Genesis "kinds" may be Nested Hierarchies.
Pressie
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Message 15 of 218 (821226)
10-04-2017 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Dredge
10-02-2017 3:25 AM


Dredge writes:
You say "all life is a nested hierarchy", but apparently there are many creatures that don't fall into a nested hierarchy...
Really? Name one. I don't think you were telling the truth with that comment.
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Pressie
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Message 16 of 218 (821227)
10-04-2017 7:38 AM
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10-03-2017 12:17 PM


Re: Why Nested Hierarchies?
You missed quite a few other possibilities. One is that The Holy FSM could have poofed everything into existence as is. With apparant years. Gods telling untruths...Some people find that acceptable.
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Message 20 of 218 (821346)
10-06-2017 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dredge
09-28-2017 5:17 AM


Thanks for posting this topic. I learned a lot of things from the responses.
Monoglot is a new English word I learned (I'm multilingual and it really must be hard to only be able to understand and speak one language).
Now I understand the word Clade a lot better than before (I have virtually no training in Biology, except for the short course I took in Genetics).
Thanks guys!
A free education. It's wonderful.
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Pressie
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Message 53 of 218 (822320)
10-23-2017 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Dredge
10-22-2017 7:32 PM


Someone mentioned Gould
I love it when creationists quote-mine Gould. My bold in the next Gould quote-mine.
Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists -- whether through design or stupidity, I do not know -- as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups.
Gould, Stephen Jay 1983. "Evolution as Fact and Theory" in Hens Teeth and Horse's Toes: Further Reflections in Natural History. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., p. 258-260.
Hey, Dredge, have you discovered those organisms not falling into a nested hierachy you were telling us about?

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Pressie
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Message 67 of 218 (822528)
10-27-2017 2:36 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by dwise1
10-26-2017 10:01 PM


Thanks Dwise. That was a very interesting post.
It will take some time to watch those videos. Looking forward to it.
My home language (Afrikaans) was derived from a west European language. I also took Setswana language courses and use that language often; the sentence structures are so different from west European languages that I felt it was impossible to ever learn such a language. At least the western alphabet is used which makes it easier.
I can't imagine how difficult it must be to learn languages such as Japanese or Cantonese!
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Pressie
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Message 69 of 218 (822530)
10-27-2017 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Dredge
10-26-2017 11:38 PM


This one was funny to me.
Dredge writes:
...It's not an "observation"...
Really? It sure is an observation. We can observe that a Platypus is a mammal. Tits and those head bones. Mammalia. And the DNA sequencing. Mammalia.
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Message 94 of 218 (823653)
11-15-2017 3:51 AM
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11-15-2017 2:39 AM


Ah, Gould quote mined again.
I love quote mining Gould, too.
Gould writes:
Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists -- whether through design or stupidity, I do not know -- as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups.
My bold.
From Gould, Stephen Jay 1983. "Evolution as Fact and Theory" in Hens Teeth and Horse's Toes: Further Reflections in Natural History. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., p. 258-260.
Gould writes:
The argument that the literal story of Genesis can qualify as science collapses on three major grounds: the creationists' need to invoke miracles in order to compress the events of the earth's history into the biblical span of a few thousand years; their unwillingness to abandon claims clearly disproved, including the assertion that all fossils are products of Noah's flood; and their reliance upon distortion, misquote, half-quote, and citation out of context to characterize the ideas of their opponents.
My bold.
From "The Verdict on Creationism", The Skeptical Inquirer, Winter 87/88, pg. 186.

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Pressie
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Message 95 of 218 (823654)
11-15-2017 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Dredge
11-15-2017 2:34 AM


Re: platypus nested hierarchy
Dredge writes:
I knew that ... learnt it all in primary school.
Really? In primary school? I think someone called Dredge is very economical with the truth here...

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Message 102 of 218 (823731)
11-16-2017 6:10 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by JonF
11-15-2017 4:21 PM


Re: platypus nested hierarchy
If pigs could fly...
Maybe you should try to explain the joke to creationists. Dredge doesn't seem to be very bright and I don't think that Dredge could even understand the basics.
I'll start. Pigs are tetrapods. Same as birds and bats and humans and Komodo dragons.
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Pressie
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Message 113 of 218 (824334)
11-27-2017 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Dredge
11-27-2017 5:11 AM


Re: platypus nested hierarchy
Hey, looking for excuses? You seem to be just a puff of hot air claiming things.
You are welcome to try and get a tetrapod with wings growing out of their bodies...The opposite of the ToE...

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Pressie
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Message 114 of 218 (824335)
11-27-2017 6:13 AM
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11-26-2017 6:44 AM


Dredge writes:
... that I'm stupid and ignorant?
No, just that you are wilfully ignorant of facts. Brain washed.

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Message 121 of 218 (824408)
11-28-2017 4:51 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Dredge
11-28-2017 3:17 AM


Again, I love it when people quote-mine Gould. I can do the same.
Dredge writes:
You have barked up the wrong tree twice in this one post. Your first Gould quote has nothing to do with my Gould quote. Your second Gould quote refers to Yung Erfers - I is not a Yung Erfer, but an Old Erfer. (Yung Erfers hate my beliefs in an old earth and a previous creation and some or them might even want to kill me to death ... or at least torture me for several days.)
In short, your attempt to out-Gould-quote me, while admirable, has failed.
Nope. Let's repeat those quotes again.
Gould writes:
Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists — whether through design or stupidity, I do not know -- as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups.
My bold.
From Gould, Stephen Jay 1983. "Evolution as Fact and Theory" in Hens Teeth and Horse's Toes: Further Reflections in Natural History. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., p. 258-260.
Gould writes:
The argument that the literal story of Genesis can qualify as science collapses on three major grounds: the creationists' need to invoke miracles in order to compress the events of the earth's history into the biblical span of a few thousand years; their unwillingness to abandon claims clearly disproved, including the assertion that all fossils are products of Noah's flood; and their reliance upon distortion, misquote, half-quote, and citation out of context to characterize the ideas of their opponents.
My bold.
From "The Verdict on Creationism", The Skeptical Inquirer, Winter 87/88, pg. 186.

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Message 123 of 218 (824411)
11-28-2017 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by RAZD
11-28-2017 7:51 AM


Re: platypus nested hierarchy
Yes. Upsettig the apple cart is my dream. That would increase my current salary of around USD 36 000 a year to millions of USD every year. And those prizes and interviews on Fox. Worth millions. Would love that.
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Message 133 of 218 (824458)
11-29-2017 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by jar
11-29-2017 6:55 AM


Re: More nested hierarchies, homologies and analogies
I don't think that Dredge is willing to learn about anything not coming from his/her favourite Holy Books.

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Pressie
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Message 136 of 218 (824535)
11-30-2017 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Dredge
11-30-2017 4:24 AM


Nebraska man, really?
Dredge writes:
My point is, not only was Nebraska Man fabricated on the basis of one tooth...
Actually, the tooth wasn't fabricated. So, what's your point?

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