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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1771 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's sounding more and more like carrot juice alone is the most powerful remedy. Here's another testimonial.
Cancer Is Over
What did not work: The year prior to trying carrots I tried various other tactics to get rid ofthese tumors. I initiallytried water fasting. I did 5 days of water fasting at the beginning ofevery month, with a 9 day water fast one month.During the rest of the days I ate my normal organic foods. (Inspired by the studies done byValter Longo & immunesystem regeneration) Result: the tumors continued to grow.Then Ifollowed a strict low calorie Ketogenic organic diet with 2 days water fasting/week. (Inspired bythe work onthe Metabolic Theory of Cancer by Thomas Seyfried. Result: the tumors continuedto grow.Then I did a 38 day organic Juice Fast with mostly green vegetables. I followed that with an organic GAPS dietheavy with bone broth & soups/salads. Result: the tumors continued to grow.Then I went back to following my regular organic diet with 1/2 GALLONCARROT JUICE daily for 4 months.RESULT: MY TUMORS SHRUNK IN HALF!!!! Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Well, I'm a big fan of [playing the numbers in street lotteries ] and I do believe the anecdotes about [ folks winning some cash ]. There are just too many such stories to ignore. It would be very nice if somebody did a controlled experiment with it of course and I hope somebody will get around to it.
Faith always believes the anecdotes even if there are controlled studies. This is not the first topic on which this exact argument has been introduced. She followed exactly the same logic when it comes to a link between vaccines and autism. After she saw a confirming video, there was no point in even discussing contrary logic or reasoning. This is exactly the type of logic that gets stories of witchcraft confirmed or convinces others that black cats are bad luck. If you are not convinced by such arguments, the congratulations. You are normal. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1771 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Did you actually READ any of the testimonials?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1771 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you need a biblical standard for meats it should be noted that God rescinded the ancient dietary laws when the gospel went out to the Gentiles, which of course He wouldn't have done if it was about health. So obviously it wasn't. Do you honestly not see the gaping hole in this argument? I said I don't, and asked if you'd show it to me. I'm asking again. Thanks.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I said I don't, and asked if you'd show it to me. I'm asking again. Thanks. I asked the question because I wanted the answer and you gave it. I don't intend to comment further on the subject. In the end, it is a side issue on which I don't want to start a pointless debate. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1771 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You said there is an obvious hole in it. Since I don't see a hole shouldn't you say what you meant? I'd really like to know. I think what I said makes sense but if it doesn't please explain.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1771 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The anecdotes I recently posted get into a fair amount of detail about what was tried, what worked and didn't work. There's always the possibility of faulty observation, something left out, something exaggerated, but I think these reports are particularly interesting because of the trial and error descriptions by people who started out knowing pretty much nothing about alternative treatments.
And of course I was particularly interested to see that not much worked except carrot juice, and even that didn't work until enough of it was used, though different amounts do seem to work for different people or different cancers or different circumstances. I regard these as a sort of research in themselves, and both Cameron and Cole who described their experiences want to see some real research done on this. I would have expected some positive results from all the other dietary recommendations that were tried and was surprised that only carrot juice scored in the end. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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The plural of anecdote is not data.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Did you actually READ any of the testimonials? You don't get it. Nobody gives a crap how many testimonies you link to. Nor should they...
quote: Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2644 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Neil Degrasse Tyson on jury duty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVTzuIe-5AU and also on math innumerancy....- xongsmith, 5.7d
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ringo Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
xongsmith writes:
Innumeracy + necromancy?
and also on math innumerancy....
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Dogmafood Member Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined:
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The plural of anecdote is not data. The ancient Egyptians used to rub moldy bread on open wounds. Sometimes it worked. Had they known how to do a controlled study they might have discovered why it worked. The fact that they didn't do those studies does not change the fact that sometimes it worked. Today there are numerous reports of cannabis oil eliminating epileptic seizures without much controlled study data to support those claims. If you had an epileptic child would you not try that remedy? If you observed it working would that still be an anecdote? If I were diagnosed with cancer today would it be unwise to delay chemotherapy for 2 months while I drank a shitload of carrot juice?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Had they known how to do a controlled study they might have discovered why it worked. You are discussing events that occurred well before the creation of either the scientific method or medical studies. Perhaps what constitutes the best decision-making process might be a bit different now?
If I were diagnosed with cancer today would it be unwise to delay chemotherapy for 2 months while I drank a shitload of carrot juice? Quite possibly, but the right answer depends on the type of cancer and your diagnosis/prognosis right? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Dogmafood Member Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined:
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You are discussing events that occurred well before the creation of either the scientific method or medical studies. Perhaps what constitutes the best decision-making process might be a bit different now? For sure it is but I meant to highlight the value of observation. It is the outright discounting of personal observation that bothers me. I appreciate that our personal assessments are often wrong but the they are also often correct.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It is the outright discounting of personal observation that bothers me. Personal observation of a cancer cure by non-medically trained people should be discounted heavily. It should not be relied upon to the extent that it delays or substitutes consulting a real doctor. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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