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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: I see your point. Can you picture God making every crystal personally out of His celestial tinker toys? Or personally lighting the fuse on every molecule of hydrogen in the Hindenberg? To me, the idea of a personal authority behind natural order just seems silly. IF God thus has a hands-off approach to the natural order, everyone calls Him evil. Damned if He does and damned if he doesn't.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It has been done.
Lets say that you could hypothetically interview the author of the story(stories) Would you not ask them their motives and inspirations for writing the story? Would you ask them why they portrayed God as a villain at times, a rescuer at other times? What if they said that you were in the story? Would you request helping them to define your character?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith, are you a presuppositionalist?
Wiki writes: I quoted Wiki, but perhaps there are better definitions...Im just curious is all. Presuppositionalism is a school of Christian apologetics that believes the Christian faith is the only basis for rational thought. It presupposes that the Bible is divine revelation and attempts to expose flaws in other worldviews. It claims that apart from presuppositions, one could not make sense of any human experience, and there can be no set of neutral assumptions from which to reason with a non-Christian.[1] Presuppositionalists claim that a Christian cannot consistently declare their belief in the necessary existence of the God of the Bible and simultaneously argue on the basis of a different set of assumptions that God may not exist and Biblical revelation may not be true. By the way, I don't think I am one. I believe in God and I believe that Jesus is alive within me (though I often irritate him) but I dont dismiss secular science. Edited by Phat, : sub titleChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar always says that, Alex.
Personally I think that Elder Paisos is spot on. And it doesnt look good for America...we trust too much in human wisdom...I agree.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Figures you would say that.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I'll admit that I accepted it rather easily because for one thing it confirmed what I have always believed...namely
quote:In addition, I figured that since this guy was an Orthodox Christian he was not a flim-flam man like the televangelists in America. I always question my thoughts. Granted I use logic, reason, and (somewhat) reality, and I am not as ready to blame satan as i used to be...I realize that much of my faulty thinking is my own internal bias...but I am not as skeptical of all religious dogma as atheists are.(and jar)Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Is this what you saw in message 1?
quote: I'll admit that you guys have a point. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Hi Mike. Happy New Year! Long Time No See. Allow me to publically share with you my morning.
1) Reading Facebook, I see one of my Christian friends promoting Ray Comforts movie, The Atheist Delusion I watch the first few minutes of it. Then, as I am prone to do, I search YouTube for critics of the movie. Hugo and Jake are movie critics and so I watched their critique.
Atheists Watch Ray Comfort's The Atheist Delusion....be forewarned...Hugo and Jake are brutally honest and somewhat intelligent, though they are crass and very human. They make fun of Jesus, Christianity, and specifically Ray Comfort, though there is truth in what they say. Its noteworthy that they start their rebuttal video drinking some shots. Everybody has to have something, after all. Anyway, my point is not to take sides. As believers, we have chosen our belief, but in my opinion, God won't smite us for attempting to fully understand how others think. While it is true that some sre smug and arrogant this is true of all humans including many believers. That's my 2 cents. Cheers, Mike. Edited by Phat, : spellingChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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RAZD writes: Everyone has opinions, some good, some worthless, some downright wrong. Good point. Our opinions and beliefs are shaped by our experience. Perhaps my error was that I presupposed that he at least should be right. Lets get back to presuppositionalism.
Wiki writes: Presuppositionalism is a school of Christian apologetics that believes the Christian faith is the only basis for rational thought. It presupposes that the Bible is divine revelation and attempts to expose flaws in other worldviews. It claims that apart from presuppositions, one could not make sense of any human experience, and there can be no set of neutral assumptions from which to reason with a non-Christian. Presuppositionalists claim that a Christian cannot consistently declare their belief in the necessary existence of the God of the Bible and simultaneously argue on the basis of a different set of assumptions that God may not exist and Biblical revelation may not be true. Perhaps science is trustworthy because it attempts to limit or eliminate prior assumptions about anything. Comments?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dr. Wise is an unwavering YEC at the same time that he admits that all the evidence points to evolution being true. He also admonishes creationists for taking the evidential approach which is a losing position for them, but rather they should instead take the presuppositional approach which ignores all the evidence. Is that what he said? Perhaps that sheds a light on why our member Faith believes as she does. And Kurt Wise is no slouch. I wonder if deep down he denies reality or whether his own belief system has found a reason? Of course, I wonder that about myself, as well. But enough about me. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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