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Nexus
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Message 1 of 11 (81729)
01-30-2004 9:21 PM


ok i have 2 questions. one, energy cannot be destroyed i think, if taht's incorrect then my question doesn't matter...but if it's true, what are the theories of where/how energy goes once it's freed from the dead body?? my next question is about quazars, i'm told quazars are at the end of the universe...like they are the link between matter/space and nothingness...what are these quazars?? are they like stars or like rings, or not even visible structures?? or i dunno. thanks

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Coragyps
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Message 2 of 11 (81738)
01-30-2004 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nexus
01-30-2004 9:21 PM


Hi, Nexus! Welcome!
I don't know of any evidence whatsoever for any kind of energy that's exclusively something to do with life - I figure that after I die my energy might get redisrtibuted to some maggots or nematodes, but that's just them profiting from the identical chemical reactions that I'm using now.
As to quasars: they are black holes at the centers of galaxies that are "eating" gas and dust at a great rate, and spewing off the "indigestibles" as jets at their poles. If the jets happen to point our way, we see what we call a quasar. Most are far, far away because they tend to occur in young galaxies. Since we see a galaxy that's billions of light years away as it was billions of years ago, that's where the young galaxies are. "Quasar" is short for "Quasi-stellar object", because back when they were first found (1960's?) they looked starlike - just dots. Modern radiotelescopes show the jets on some of them, though.

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crashfrog
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Message 3 of 11 (81744)
01-30-2004 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nexus
01-30-2004 9:21 PM


what are the theories of where/how energy goes once it's freed from the dead body??
There's no such thing as "life energy." That's science-fiction (and not the good kind, either.)
So, it doesn't "go" anywhere, because it never existed. The difference between a living thing and a dead one is the kind of chemical reactions that are occuring (or not occuring.)

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Nexus
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Message 4 of 11 (81814)
01-31-2004 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by crashfrog
01-30-2004 10:05 PM


i don't beleive we just die and that's it...i also don't beleive in one particular god or gods...but there must be more. i think that the body and the material world is just a prison or learning ground for the mind/soul. a world with rules, laws, causes, and effects. by the time you die you're mind will have been matured enough to be free.
see, when you dream, everyone and thing is completely fabricated. and the only thing at work is your mind. of course it's subconcious and therefore cannot be controled. think of having full control though.
without the life experience, you wouldn't be able to use such power in an advantagious way. but when the body dies, you're mind/soul are still alive.
see whatever religion you beleive in, is what i beleive will come to be the truth for you as an individual when you die. if you beleive in one god, that is the god that will be there, if you however beleive you have lived an evil life and therefore will go to hell...unfortuanetely, that's where you will end up.
if the mind is all that's left, then anything can become a reality...life is just there to help you control it when you die.
i can't even fatham the body just dieing and nothing happening afterward...it just seems too pointless...
if you work 5 out of 7 days in a week for your entire life... you are only free about 20% of your whole life to do what you want...it's just not worth it when you think about it, there must be a greater cause.
this is some of my beleifs, take it for what it's worth, shoot me down if you must, it is a forum.
All of this is complete fact...i swear it!!
[This message has been edited by Nexus, 01-31-2004]

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compmage
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Message 5 of 11 (81826)
01-31-2004 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Nexus
01-31-2004 1:35 PM


Nexus writes:
i don't beleive we just die and that's it...i also don't beleive in one particular god or gods...but there must be more.
I'm not trying to be nasty or anything so try not to take this the wrong way, but what you believe has no effect on reality.
Nexus writes:
i think that the body and the material world is just a prison or learning ground for the mind/soul. a world with rules, laws, causes, and effects. by the time you die you're mind will have been matured enough to be free.
I have never seen any evidence that a mind/soul exists. If you have got some I would love to take a look.
A far as the mind being mature when you die...assuming for the moment that there is a soul, how exactly does this work for infants that dies within minutes, hours, or even days?
The rest of you post is pretty pointless unless you can demonstrate that a soul actually exists.
Nexus writes:
it's just not worth it when you think about it, there must be a greater cause.
I wish this were the case, but as far as we can tell there is no 'must' about it. Things are the way they are and humanities desire for it to be different seems to have absolutly no effect.

Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in
this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely
conceives it, wants it, and loves it.
- Mikhail Bakunin, God and the State, from The Columbian Dictionary of Quotations

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Nexus
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Message 6 of 11 (81829)
01-31-2004 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by compmage
01-31-2004 2:41 PM


so you guys all beleive that when you die, you just die and that's it?? i mean sure it makes more sence...but it all just seems so pointless.

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Chiroptera
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Message 7 of 11 (81831)
01-31-2004 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Nexus
01-31-2004 3:02 PM


I'm not sure what "we guys all" believe, but, yep, that's what I believe. Well, not exactly; there's the people who we leave behind, who, hopefully, remember us fondly and are living better lives having known us. That may give you some idea what I believe the "point" is.

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Loudmouth
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Message 8 of 11 (81836)
01-31-2004 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Nexus
01-31-2004 3:02 PM


quote:
. . . that when you die, you just die and that's it?? i mean sure it makes more sence...but it all just seems so pointless.
If there is no after life it makes present life more important, not less important. Just my humble opinion, but if you only do things in this life in order to better your afterlife then you are missing some very important experiences. Why not make this life as enjoyable as possible, since this life is guaranteed to exist, instead of pushing things aside in hopes for an afterlife. Perhaps the only afterlife that humans can hope for is being lovingly remembered by people you knew when you were alive, who knows. Just my personal philosophy.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
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Message 9 of 11 (81867)
01-31-2004 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Nexus
01-31-2004 1:35 PM


of course it's subconcious and therefore cannot be controled. think of having full control though.
With a little training you can actually take that control. It's called "lucid dreaming" and it's the process of taking conscious control of your dreams. I've succeeded once or twice in the past; it's pretty wild. If you've ever had dreams where you can fly unaided or manifest other powers then apparently you're on the right track - that's a form of lucid dreaming.
Look it up on the web. It's fun.
life is just there to help you control it when you die.
That could very well be. It's entirely possible that, to the dying brain, the last moments will appear as some kind of eternal dream. Who knows? Nobody comes back to tell us.
Your beliefs are fine, there's no requirement for you to believe what we want you to believe. Personally I try to avoid believing in things simply because I'm afraid of death. I'm not. (Why fear the inevitable?)
if you work 5 out of 7 days in a week for your entire life... you are only free about 20% of your whole life to do what you want...
Well, nobody makes you work. If you're working, it's because you chose to do that because you felt the benefits of a paycheck outwieghed the lameness of somebody else telling you what to do. Plenty of people have fulfilling careers, I guess. (I haven't met any of them, yet.) So, in a sense, it's still your choice.

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sidelined
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Message 10 of 11 (81871)
01-31-2004 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Nexus
01-31-2004 3:02 PM


Nexus
Hopeless yes not pointless.The key is that you determine what is really important and find it within yourself the freedom to accept that you alone are responsible for your actions.No demons,no Satan,no God no Jesus as saviour.Just little old you.It also means that you are in the very same boat as the rest of humanity.Get out there and do enough to make the end become the closing on a life well lived.
I find it also helps to get involved with helping people on a regular basis.Anything you can do to to help ease the burden of another person is good.It is also something that makes sense since one day you may find yourself dependent on the good works of another.

'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

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compmage
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Posts: 601
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Message 11 of 11 (81922)
02-01-2004 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Nexus
01-31-2004 3:02 PM


Nexus writes:
so you guys all beleive that when you die, you just die and that's it?? i mean sure it makes more sence...but it all just seems so pointless.
I don't know about everyone else, but that does seem to be where the evidence is pointing ('makes more sence'). I don't particularly want to die since I rather enjoy my life, but I am not going to lie to myself about what is likely to happed when I do die.
I don't fear death, there is nothing abour non-existance that bothers me. Paraphrasing (I don't remember who), "My non-existance never seemed to bother me before I was born".

Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in
this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely
conceives it, wants it, and loves it.
- Mikhail Bakunin, God and the State, from The Columbian Dictionary of Quotations

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