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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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There is simply no evidence for a global flood during historic times.
There is massive evidence that there was not a global flood about 4350 years ago. Even my own archaeological research shows this--I don't need to rely on the research of others. My research shows continuity of a Native American mtDNA haplotype from 5300 years ago to the present. If there had been a global flood with an ark that haplotype would have been eliminated, to be replaced by haplotypes from the Middle East.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Gosh how you trust your unprovable dates.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Gosh how you trust your unprovable dates. There's no point in you replying to my evidence, as you rely on scripture and belief instead of evidence. We'll just agree to disagree.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Pollux Member Posts: 303 Joined: |
I have this picture in my head of the Ark covered with insects, birds, and pterosaurs escaping the water. The carnivores would have food for some time, first feasting on the herbivore ones then the bigger eating the smaller until only the biggest and strongest were left, and maybe could have seen out the whole Flood!
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Takes all my statements out of context and makes a fictional argument. I stand behind everything I said. If you don't get it, you are free to read it again. I read your nonsense several times already. Clearly it's not in your best interests to be clear about what you're saying, so you try to be as confusing and ambiguous as possible. Will you be changing your mind again tonight about whether there was a global flood? --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Well I am sorry if I was being too charitable,
quote: If "the flood" means Noah's Flood as it almost always does in this context then your claim is just silly. If you mean "the flood in Houston" then "a flood" would still be correct (making your distinction deceptive at best) and your post looks even more like an intentional joke.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: In other words, jar was simply speaking s little loosely - as anyone who calls the Earth a sphere would be doing (and calling the Earth a sphere is known to be not exactly correct). Hardly a matter worth mentioning. As for the other part all I will say is that it is funny how "Christians" feel free to crtiticse others - without much concern for honesty or truth - yet whine is horribly when far better founded criticisms are made of them. It's not exactly Christian behaviour.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Gosh how you trust your unprovable dates. See Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 again, Faith. Remember where you can't show any errors or mistakes or alternate fantasy that explains all the correlations? Try the new edition: The Age of the Earth (version 3 no 1 part 1) followed by The Age of the Earth (version 3 no 1 part 2) and the soon to be released The Age of the Earth (version 3 no 1 part 3) There is massive objective empirical evidence that the earth is very very very old, so much that it is easy to compile numerous dating methods that rely on simple counting to validate the dates, and numerous enough to show consilience of results from the different methods, consilience that would not be possible unless they all measure the same thing: accurate old age. And in those various methods is evidence that a global flood never happened in their age range ... covering millions of years All you have is denial. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
4350 ya would be circa 2330 BCE ...
From The Age of the Earth (version 3 no 1 part 1), Message 3:
quote: The "Methuselah" tree is older by ~500 yearsThe "Prometheus" tree was ~530 years older when cut down over 50 years ago The "Schulman" tree is older by ~600 years Dead wood lying on the ground is older yet, and it did not float away in any global flood. Science never absolutely proves things, but it does disprove things. Things that are false or invalid. The evidence of these three trees alone disproves a global flood in the last 5,000 years, and make any belief in such a flood within that time period a laughable delusional fantasy. And that is just the beginning of what the objective empirical evidence of age shows. A young earth? Forgetaboutit. Also disproved by trees. The earth is not flatThe earth is not the center of the solar system The earth is not the center of the milky way galaxy The earth is not the center of the universe The earth is very, very, very old: get used to it. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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There are also styles, art and technologies that were local to a region or culture that continue right through the possible periods when the Biblical Flood stories were supposed to have occurred and absolutely NO evidence of all the world's cultures and civilizations disappearing within a one year period only to be gradually replaced by a culture radiating out from the Middle East.
The idea that there was ever a Biblical Flood is simply silly.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All you have is denial. What I have is God's word. You have the denial.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Percy writes: I read your nonsense several times already. Clearly it's not in your best interests to be clear about what you're saying, so you try to be as confusing and ambiguous as possible. Will you be changing your mind again tonight about whether there was a global flood? Me thinks you are confusing "a flood" with "the flood" and now "global flood". But nice try on dodging the topic. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Paulk writes: In other words, jar was simply speaking s little loosely Then there is that. Only people that believe there was no flood are allowed to speak losely. Those that have been branded to believe in a flood cannot. I hope you can see your bigotry. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Pollux writes: I have this picture in my head of the Ark covered with insects, birds, and pterosaurs escaping the water. The carnivores would have food for some time, first feasting on the herbivore ones then the bigger eating the smaller until only the biggest and strongest were left, and maybe could have seen out the whole Flood! Except that we have direct evidence that animals do not behave normally in crisis. Thanks for the input.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
So Pollux, Faith, and RAZD are the only ones to reply directly to my point in the OP. What I did by posting this was to show that there is evidence that part of the story on THE GLOBAL FLOOD, is true. If a flood had started, animals have been observed to seek shelter with humans. This is evidence that part of the story could be true. So essentially we have evidence.
The rest of you went on and on how we have no evidence and went off you your usual bigoted attacks on people of faith. Just admit it, this is evidence in support of the story. Doesn't mean it happened. So unless you can show how animals evolved into this behavior, (asked once already) you can no longer say there is zero evidence. Keep in mind I am going against my own personal belief that there is no evidence (of a flood) by posting this. If there was a flood, and God exists, He chose to hide the evidence from us. That is my belief. Or we aren't smart enough to figure it out yet. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.
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