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DOCJ Inactive Member |
If you write a book as you wrote, it would be entertainment and also it would be something written. Much different than if it was not written and if there were 0 books existing. Your point that if you write a book with written material that is false based on interpreration is moot. Further whether or not a interpretation is popular doesnt make it true, even if we agree on the point.
The theory of evolution is accepted and it is being corrected. The name has changed a few times. History of evolutionary thought - Wikipedia Edited by DOCJ, : Err
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DOCJ Inactive Member |
Source.
Drift is silented unused genes. Mutated cells are destroyed. I never posted that DNA is not responsible for differences between species. It is responsible for differences between species, or even a population such as with trisomy 21, etc. Edited by DOCJ, : Err
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DOCJ Inactive Member |
Big bang, big crunch, multiverse, string theory, electrical universe theory, evolution, darwinian evolution, theory of evolution, general relativity, quantum theory, abiogenesis, etc.. There are hundreds of theories and in many cases anchoring is popular.
Umm... ok... 🙄 It's unhealthy to change your mind frequently = i.e. not unhealthy persay/can be unhealthy. You didn't catch that point? Sorry, I will do my best to be clear. Again... 😃 If you study you learn. And what you learn is equal to a belief. The knowledge gained from studying is ultimately a belief. Nothing is absolute. Science is a method of studying the things it can be used to study. That is it. Yes you can study nature with Science. 😁 And yes, Science, overtime, if the theory is comprehensive may be the ultimate truth of nature to human beings. Hope you understood that last part. 🤔 Hawking accepts evolution. 🙄
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DOCJ Inactive Member |
I don't disagree with your first point regarding Science. I do think it is important to point out, people using Science have been wrong many times and in many cases death has been the result. So while Science is finding corrections it is also making errors that cause death in worse case scenarios.
Regarding religon, you test them to find out which one is correct. 1 example, gen 1 has the sequence of creation in the exact same order as our science of today. That is amazing. 🤔 Edited by DOCJ, : Err
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DOCJ Inactive Member |
I will trust the translation of strongs lexicon. 😉
I would ask God not people about scripture. I'm merely posting my point of view. 😁 I'm not sure what other option you have, either everything came into existence from nothing existing at all (even within the multiverse model this is true) or some being that has always existed created everything. I suppose you could be a idealist but you do not seem to communicate like one. 🤔
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DOCJ Inactive Member |
I would look at that definition, and read it to be referencing a population, not the common descent argument. 😉
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DOCJ Inactive Member |
I dont believe there is gene loss. The genes are just silent if not dominate. DNA is quite remarkable. Another reason I don't believe in common descent. If it were animal x could arguably give birth to anything contained in its DNA. To argue loss, would mean you need evidence. Cells inside the ovaries, or testicles, have lysosomes. And when reproducing, if there is a mutation the body detects it and the cell with the mutation destroys itself with its own lydosomes from inside due to stimulation from outside the cell.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's not gene loss, it's allele loss and it has to happen when other alleles are selected and especially when they become fixed or homozygous. To get a Great Dane requires losing genetic material for Chihuahuas, Poodles, Golden Retrievers and so on.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Regarding religon, you test them to find out which one is correct. Religions are notorious for not subjecting their beliefs to tests against evidence. Typically, when there is a disagreement over interpretation of scripture or belief, you will get a schism--that's why there are so many different religions and denominations/sects within religions. It is common to have, for example, young earth believers state that the evidence doesn't matter--if it contradicts the young earth belief the evidence is wrong somehow. So, thanks, but I'll stick to science and you can have religion and any of those other fuzzy subjects.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Religions are notorious for not subjecting their beliefs to tests against evidence. Typically, when there is a disagreement over interpretation of scripture or belief, you will get a schism--that's why there are so many different religions and denominations/sects within religions. Well also: there are "pastors" who need jobs...
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Mutations may slow it down but the development of a new species REQUIRES the loss of alleles for other traits. It also requires the emergence of new traits through mutations. Not at all, there's plenty of genetic diversity available from which to select for a new species without adding even one mutation. New traits emerge because of changed gene frequencies, not mutations.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I'm pretty sure that's not the standard Strongs. But then placing men over scripture is at the heart of your religion.
quote: Well maybe you would like to take more care to get your facts right.
quote: I have two. The first is that our universe is all of space-time. In that case there is no need for our universe to come from nothing because there was never a time when it did not exist. The second is that our universe is embedded in a larger space-time and is the consequence of a natural event.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: We know this is untrue because mutations will keep adding diversity. Even if diversity was completely lost a new mutation would bring in more diversity. This is completely obvious, has been explained to you repeatedly and simply denying it is hardly sensible.
quote: I don't think so. Showing that mutations have added variety without destroying species as you have claimed it would (another obvious absurdity) does not show a misunderstanding at all. It directly address an assertion that you made.
quote: Obviously it only holds up in a case where mutation stops. And the only known example of that is extinction.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Adding diversity does not contribute to the formation of a species. That takes selection. Selection reduces genetic diversity. When you are getting a new species you are losing genetic diversity. Adding genetic diversity does not contribute to the formation of a species. The formation of a species is what evolution does. Adding diversity does not contribute to the formation of a species. The formation of a species requires selection, selection reduces genetic diversity. Adding genetic diversity does not contribute to the formation of a species which is what evolution does. Getting a few mutations does not contribute to evolution. Evolution requires the loss of genetic diversity.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You're not getting it. Adding variety means that there is variety for selection to work on.
quote: Of course it can contribute. If the population has run out of diversity that is where the differing traits in a successor species will come from.
quote: Evolution requires both the loss and gain of genetic diversity. Not an overall sustained loss. That is why it will never end, short of the extinction of all life.
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