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Message 5 of 72 (816159)
07-30-2017 2:29 PM
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07-30-2017 2:06 PM


Re: Rapid expansion of the new species
While these examples are all birds and thus able to disperse widely fairly rapidly, the same process would hold for other organisms, with the rapidity of the dispersal dependent on their mobility.
This has certainly been true for invasive weeds and insects. We see wood boring insects being moved from one part of North America to another with devastating effects for forests and orchards. Add to that transport of non-native species brought from other continents by global trade and you have disasters for agriculture simmering around the planet.

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Message 11 of 72 (816219)
07-31-2017 9:44 PM
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07-31-2017 7:20 PM


The PE model was developed to explain large morphological gaps in the fossil record, saltations.
You speak so authoritatively I assume you can point out in the Gould and Eldredge paper where they state that they developed their hypothesis to explain large morphological gaps in the fossil record, saltations.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 18 of 72 (816254)
08-01-2017 2:29 PM
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08-01-2017 11:30 AM


Taq writes:
PE explains gaps between species in the fossil record, but it doesn't use saltation to explain it. A gap in the fossil record is a gap in the fossil record, not a gap in the actual evolutionary history of the species.
This gets right to the heart of the matter.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 29 of 72 (838794)
08-28-2018 12:05 PM
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08-28-2018 3:26 AM


How sad, an idiot masquerading as a troll.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 39 of 72 (838826)
08-29-2018 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Faith
08-28-2018 9:53 PM


Faith writes:
And so did all the other species of snail in other parts of the strata, same as for every species of everything else too. Movement is purely an imaginative or magical idea.
Wow, the irony of you calling evidence imaginary or magic. You, who are enraptured by a completely imaginary creator. After 17 years here, the only person you've convinced is yourself.
What a waste.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 47 of 72 (838866)
08-29-2018 12:40 PM
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08-29-2018 12:17 PM


Faith writes:
Still, the logic remains correct: if the Flood is the cause then the whole evolutionary interpretation is imaginary.
All the evidence shows that the flood is imaginary. The flood is not the topic of this thread. You have had dozens of flood threads to argue about your imaginary flood. You have dragged dozens of non-flood threads into the mud, so if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute about the basics of Punctuated Equilibrium why don't you piss off?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 53 of 72 (838898)
08-29-2018 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Taq
08-29-2018 6:18 PM


If you live out in the Great Basin the western US you already know about cheat grass which is an invasive plant species that moved here in the last 200 years.
We are still seeing debris carrying marine species from the coast of Japan, along the west coast of North America, initiated primarily by the tsunami following the Tōhoku earthquake on 11 March 2011.
I don't know if I should laugh or what.
Laughter helps

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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