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Author Topic:   Genesis and Evolution - Tom Larkin
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Message 5 of 15 (815163)
07-17-2017 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Tom Larkin
07-16-2017 3:50 PM


As I pointed out in the other thread.
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The existence of a Y-chromosomal "Adam" and a Mitochondrial "Eve" is to be expected. There is no scientific way to connect them to the Bible stories at all. Even if the Bible stories were entirely true we could only use the Flood story to identify Noah as "Adam" - and the evidence is that they are not entirely true, so even that identification cannot be made by science.
The only scientific conclusions that could help are the dates. However.
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"Adam" apparently lived long before "Eve" who lived long before the explosion of agriculture in the Neolithic period, which you seem to think happened at the same time as the "Adam" . (While there is much uncertainty in the dates for "Adam" and "Eve" the dating of the Neolithic Revolution is more secure and has never been thought to overlap with either)

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Message 8 of 15 (815236)
07-17-2017 5:26 PM
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07-17-2017 5:19 PM


You aren't looking at the MRCAs though. And even if you were their existence would still be of no real importance to your argument. There is nothing that connects them to the Biblical story.

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Message 13 of 15 (815251)
07-18-2017 12:21 AM
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07-17-2017 7:22 PM


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It is impossible to prove MRCA to an individual, all that is part of my "coincidental" argument is that MRCA exist when other men and women existed
If you wanted to support your point - even simply from the perspective of refuting the usual interpretation of the Adam and Eve story - you would do better to deal with arguments from effective population size. I don't have time to track down the reference right now but human population has never been as low as two individuals - or eight.
Arguing that unidentifiable people lived at the same time as others is of no significance. As I have pointed out earlier, if the Flood really killed everyone but the eight in the Ark, Noah would be the Y-Chromosomal "Adam". Does it really help your argument to say that Noah lived alongside other men and women ?
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