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Message 1285 of 1352 (814401)
07-09-2017 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1283 by Pollux
07-08-2017 10:10 PM


Re: Ice Cores reference
Information from http;Research at Centre for Ice and Climate — University of Copenhagen at the Neils Bohr institute, though I am not sure now where it is buried there.
That's a great resource for my next set of revisions on the age of the earth series. Bookmarked.
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Message 1308 of 1352 (814834)
07-13-2017 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1304 by Pollux
07-13-2017 12:57 AM


Re: Strata (3)
As indicated by others, scattered through the fossil layers are igneous layers dateable by RM dating. These dates are consistent with the fossil order. As I said in an earlier post, one of the supporting evidences for the accuracy of Rm dating is the way the ages of seamounts in a chain increase in tandem with the expected rate of tectonic plate movement over a hot spot. So the Flood has to sort the Isotopes as well as fossils in the correct order.
And being able to sort isotopes by chemical processes doesn't work, so being able to sort the isotopes in an exponential distribution while sorting layers in a linear time scale by water is not possible.
Not possible for one isotope, not possible for two in the same layers where both show the same age layer by layer by layer.
See Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 - Message 9 Age Correlations and An Old Earth (ver 2 no 1), The Devil's Hole
Here the annual layers are provided by ice cores ...
quote:
We have correlations between age, climate and temperatures, so how is this data evaluated?
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/ofr97-792/ (3)
quote:
Devils Hole is a tectonically formed cave developed in the discharge zone of a regional aquifer in south-central Nevada. (See Riggs, et al., 1994.) The walls of this subaqueous cavern are coated with dense vein calcite which provides an ideal material for precise uranium-series dating via thermal ionization mass spectrometry (TIMS). Devils Hole Core DH-11 is a 36-cm-long core of vein calcite from which we obtained an approximately 500,000-year-long continuous record of paleotemperature and other climatic proxies. Data from this core were recently used by Winograd and others (1997) to discuss the length and stability of the last four interglaciations.
Carbon and oxygen stable isotopic ratios were measured on 285 samples cut at regular intervals inward from the free face of the core (as reported in Winograd et al. ,1992, and in Coplen et al., 1994). Table 1 lists only 284 samples because a sample taken at 114.28 mm was eliminated when post-1994 reanalysis of its delta 18O value indicated an error in the earlier determination. Carbon isotopic ratios are reported in per mill (footnote #1) relative to VPDB, defined by assigning a delta 13C of +1.95 per mill to the reference material NBS 19 calcite. Oxygen isotopic ratios are reported relative to VSMOW reference water on a scale normalized such that SLAP reference water is -55.5 per mill relative to VSMOW reference water. The oxygen isotopic fractionation factors employed in this determination are those listed in Coplen and others (1983). The delta 18O value of the isotopic reference material NBS 19 on this scale is +28.65 per mill. The 1 sd (standard deviation) error for the delta 18O and delta 13C analyses is 0.07 and 0.05 per mill, respectively.
They measured the age with a radiometric decay system and also measured d18O and d13C as measures of climate. There is a table with the 284 samples by age with d18O and d13C values. For a correlation of that data to the age and climate information we have already see we turn to
USGS URL Resolution Error Page (8)
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The Devils Hole d18O record is an indicator of paleotemperature and corresponds in timing and magnitude to paleo-SST (sea surface temperature) recorded in Pacific Ocean sediments off the California and Oregon coasts. The record is also highly correlated with major variations in temperature in the Vostok ice core, from the East Antarctic plateau. The d13C record is thought to reflect changes in global variations in the ratio of stable carbon isotopes of atmospheric CO2 and/or changes in the density of vegetation in the groundwater recharge areas tributary to Devils Hole.
(See Winograd et al., 1996; Herbert et al., 2001; Winograd, 2002; Winograd, et al., 1997; Landwehr and Winograd, 2001; Landwehr, 2002; and Coplen, et al., 1994.)
As eminent a geochemist as W. Broecker has stated that "...the Devils Hole chronology is the best we have..." Since 1992, all core material has been uranium-series dated using thermal ionization mass spectrometric (TIMS) methodology. In 1997, the Devils Hole Thorium-230 dates were independently confirmed by non-USGS investigators using Protactinium-231.
(See Broecker, 1992; Ludwig, et al., 1992; Winograd, et al., 1997; and Edwards, et al., 1997.)
Note - "highly correlated" with climatological data from the Vostok ice core data, which "matches almost perfectly" the climatological data from the Greenland ice core data. Corroborated by two independent radiometric methods. The oldest date in the data table is 567,700 years ago.
and
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Using the half-lives of thorium-230 (75,380 years) and protactinium-231 (32,760 years), we can now draw the exponential curves for these isotopes (with % on the y-axis and time in k-yrs on the x axis, thorium in blue and protactinium in red):
This means we have a series of data with three different pieces of information: calcite layer age, Thorium-230 content and Protactinium-231 content. We also note that Thorium-230 has a half-life of 75,380 years, while Protactinium-231 has a half-life of 32,760 years - less than half the half-life of Thorium-230. This means that layer by layer the ratio of Thorium-230 to Protactinium-231 is different:
   Age   THr=THf/THo PAr=PAf/PAo  THr/PAr
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75,380 0.5000 0.2029 2.46
150,760 0.2500 0.0412 6.07
226,140 0.1250 0.0084 14.96
301,520 0.0625 0.0017 36.86
376,900 0.0313 0.0003 90.82
452,280 0.0156 0.0001 223.77
527,660 0.0078 0.00001 551.35
So for these dates to be invalid there would have to be a mechanism that can layer by layer preferentially change the ratio of these two {elements\isotopes} within the solid calcite vein.
AND this is not the only source of multiple radiometric dating being used on samples and getting the same ages.
It is absolutely ridiculous for any rational person to think water can accomplish this sorting. The YECie version of the world is delusional.
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Message 1311 of 1352 (814841)
07-13-2017 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1310 by Faith
07-13-2017 7:41 AM


Re: Permian extinction
The Flood just buried stuff according to some kind of mechanical principles, original location and whatnot. The dating isotopes are some kind of illusion as is the fossil order.
How does that sort radioactive isotopes Faith? How does it sort different radioactive isotopes so that they still give the same age when measured?
Explain it.
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Message 1327 of 1352 (814896)
07-13-2017 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1326 by Faith
07-13-2017 3:01 PM


reality or delusion
Either you are wrong or the world is wrong.
The world is not wrong, unless you think it is all a conjob by your joker god.
Therefore you.are.wrong.
The earth is OLD get used to it.
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Message 1329 of 1352 (814899)
07-13-2017 3:23 PM
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07-13-2017 3:18 PM


Re: reality or delusion
so you pick the conjob by the joker god/s
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Message 1352 of 1352 (814978)
07-14-2017 6:00 AM
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07-13-2017 3:25 PM


Re: reality or delusion
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