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Author Topic:   Who & what are the demons ?
ringo
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Message 266 of 349 (746296)
01-05-2015 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Phat
01-05-2015 10:54 AM


Re: Pope Francis and the demons
Phat writes:
One sure way to wage effective spiritual war is to be intentional and patient.
The best spiritual defense is a good spiritual offense?
When is Demon-Day? Are we invading NormanDemon or the Pas Demon Calais?

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ringo
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Message 274 of 349 (746392)
01-06-2015 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
01-06-2015 2:27 AM


Re: Pope Francis and the demons
Phat writes:
The battle is between our carnal nature(what we like to do in that it feels good and is often selfish) and our spiritual nature(altruistic, regarding others better than ourselves)
I don't think altruism is our "spiritual nature". Anything we call a "spiritual nature" is just an offshoot of our "carnal nature". Altruism evolved because it's good for the group and what's good for the group is good for the individual. There can be conflict between what's good for me now and what's good for the group in the long run but it's silly to call that "spiritual warfare" or to bring "demons" into it.

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ringo
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Message 281 of 349 (814101)
07-04-2017 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Phat
07-03-2017 4:41 PM


Re: Pope Francis and the demons
Phat writes:
If your logic is correct, it would necessarily follow that everyone would have evidence and the entire world would see the obvious truth.
Yes, that's what evidence means.
Phat writes:
Yet scripture tells us that a minority will believe and a majority will scoff.
Chapter and verse?
Phat writes:
I would argue that you refuse to allow any belief to color your conclusions---which may be a wise approach yet in many cases...including yours...leads to atheism.
What do you mean by "yet"? You sound as if atheism was a bad thing.
Phat writes:
Getting back to demons, however...I have seen enough subjective experiences to tentatively conclude they are real.
How can you draw good conclusions from subjective data?

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ringo
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Message 285 of 349 (814109)
07-04-2017 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Faith
07-04-2017 12:58 PM


Re: Pope Francis and the demons
Faith writes:
Demons do affect atheists. Then they stop being atheists. Happens a lot.
We know. Every fundamentalist used to be an atheist.

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ringo
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Message 300 of 349 (814272)
07-05-2017 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Phat
07-04-2017 2:17 PM


Re: DEMONstrations of logic, reason, and reality
Phat writes:
Does everyone automatically start out as an atheist or is that something requiring mindful decisions?
Since there's a strong correlation with the local religion - children in North America don't spontaneously start believing in Odin or Ganesha - so it definitely seems to be learned behaviour. I suppose it's possible that they have an innate belief in "something" like gods or leprechauns and that innate belief might be imprinted with the local religion.

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ringo
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Message 309 of 349 (814508)
07-10-2017 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by Phat
07-10-2017 12:02 PM


Re: Demons do not exist
Phat writes:
I don't believe that you will be sent to hell or have a more troubled life simply due to your calm and patient questioning and logical approach.
That's self-serving, isn't it? You want your God to be loving and protecting but you still believe in malicious demons? Why doesn't your God protect us from them?

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ringo
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Message 322 of 349 (885091)
03-22-2021 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by Phat
03-22-2021 12:56 PM


Re: Pope Francis and the demons
Phat writes:
He provides a way out. What He wont do is allow the realm of Spirit and Supernatural to cease to exist simply because YOU dont want to deal with it.
But I don't need to deal with it. Whether I deal with it or not, the outcome is exactly the same.
Phat writes:
The Universe wont marry you nor will evidence.
It already has.
Phat writes:
Once the liberal thought police are able to label all belief as a mental aberration, proselytizing can be effectively banned and the antichrist can effectively step on stage and lead us all into a bright secular evidence based future.
Paranoia is a recognized mental aberration, you know.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
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Message 332 of 349 (885106)
03-23-2021 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
03-22-2021 1:11 PM


Re: Which Scenario Would You Prefer?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Paranoia is a recognized mental aberration, you know.
Hey, I agree! I dont want the antichrist to exist. I dont want there to be demons nor do I want to have any or have to deal with them.
Paranoia is not about not wanting something to exist. It's about thinking something is out to get you when there's no evidence that it is.
Phat writes:
As in the apocalyptic scenario, we see displacement of global populations, potential wars and rumors of wars, famine disease and cold love among many being quite possible.
Those things have happened throughout history. They have nothing to do with any apolcalypse and certainly nothing to do with demons.
Phat writes:
How strong will we as a species have to be to survive these times and challenges?
We might not survive.
Phat writes:
Will we all cooperate and get past the challenge together or will we fight--and die? The answer to this will also be the answer to whether the demons won or not.
No it won't. "The demons" don't exist.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 346 of 349 (885280)
04-01-2021 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 333 by Phat
03-25-2021 1:47 PM


Re: Which Scenario Would You Prefer?
Phat writes:
The only "evidence" we have about demons is found in scripture.
You mean the "dusty old book" that you reject when it's convenient?
Phat writes:
Of course your arguments attempt to neuter scripture as being an impotent story...
Well, YOU are the one who rejects scripture.
Phat writes:
... and that it is in no way equal to the words defining the evidence of the scientific methodology of definition.
What?
Of course the Bible is NOT equal to scientific methodology, if that's what you're getting at.
Phat writes:
It does not take Rocket Science to interpret the scripture.
That's what I keep telling you.
Phat writes:
We will either exist in eternity with Jesus and the Holy Spirit or we wont exist at all, as you suggest.
Nonsense. "We" includes Christians. If "we" become extinct, it will be because Jesus and every other God failed to save us.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 347 of 349 (885281)
04-01-2021 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 339 by Phat
03-28-2021 12:32 PM


Re: Which Scenario Would You Prefer?
Phat writes:
What do you expect me to do? Deny the reality of my experience pending objective evidence?
Yes.
The only honest explanation for your experiences is that you can't explain them.
Phat writes:
I could be in for a long wait.
It took centuries to figure out that Newton was wrong (incomplete).

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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