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ICANT Member (Idle past 288 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
I've already showed you that your interpretation makes no sense in context. You have asserted your opinion. You have not shown anything. The Hebrew word used in Genesis 10:25 is used only 3 other times in the Bible.1. It is repeated word for word in 1 Ch 1:19 2. Job 38:25 says who hath divided a watercourse. (the only way to do that is use land masses) 3. Psa 55:9 a man was praying for God to split the peoples tongue's. Where in the context of those verses does it support you claim? They all support mine. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9012 From: Canada Joined: |
The plate movement is slowing, that is a fact. Really? That is the first I've heard of that. In fact, everything I've ever read suggests it has stayed roughly constant for millions of years. In at least some locations like the movement of the Hawaiian Islands and the opening of the Atlantic. Where is the factual information behind your statement, please?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Where in the context of those verses does it support you claim? Easily answered. Consider the third cited usage:
3. Psa 55:9 a man was praying for God to split the peoples tongue's[sic] So why would this be a literal splitting of the tongue and not a request to separate folks as was done in the Tower of Babel incident? This is not my argument, but the one given by AIG.
Did the Continents Split Apart in the Days of Peleg?
| Answers in Genesis
quote: Given the paucity of usages in the text, with at least two of the four having context suggesting the same interpretation, your argument cannot be considered conclusive. And of course there is also the issue that we know that the Bible does tell us that the folks of earth were scattering according to language, so saying that David asking that the same thing be done to his detractors is at least reasonable. I would further add that the usage to mean splitting of a water course really does not serve your purpose very well. You don't need to split a land mass to divide a water course. I don't see any reason why a word that means to divide a people could not also be used to talking about dividing up a water course, and you have not made a case that it does not. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Indeed. If ICANT had bothered to check his concordance he would see that the word translated as "tongue" can mean "language".
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Pressie Member (Idle past 236 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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ICANT writes: Rodinia? Pangea? Which one?
Well I know the land mass was all in one place at one time Genesis 1:9 tells me that.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Why would the author choose a different word in verse 25 which is between the usage in verse 5 and 32 if he did not want to say something different. Artistic license. The worst thing to do is assume the literal meaning/usage of the word must be conveying some secret meaning that only you can decode.
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ringo Member (Idle past 673 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
You seem to be the only one who doesn't see it.
You have not shown anything. ICANT writes:
You're shooting yourself in the foot. The people's tongues were also split at Babel - no land or water involved in either case.
Psa 55:9 a man was praying for God to split the peoples tongue's.
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edge Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
And just how do you know that Pangea existed 200 million year ago?
Physical evidence.
I was referring to dry land as there was wet land under all the ocean.
Then it wasn't land, was it?
But actually the water was gathered to one place and left the dry land.
How was it 'gathered'?
I don't think of it being plate tectonics. I think of it as a puzzle together then moved to the different parts.
But we have evidence for plate tectonics.
You don't have to believe it but that was no accident.
When it comes to YEC cognition, I consider it to be an accident.
The plate movement is slowing, that is a fact.
On a scale of billions of years, I'll go with that. For the last 300 million years it's been variable, but essentially of the same order of magnitude.
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Pollux Member (Idle past 145 days) Posts: 303 Joined:
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Hi ICANT,
I agree that any creative deity worth his salt could move the land masses around in a nanosecond. The first question that could be asked is "From where?" since the evidence is that they came together and parted several times. But leaving that aside, if the land masses were moved in a nanosecond: - Why are there chains of sea-mounts that look like they were formed successively by passing over a hot spot? - Why do they look older as you move away from the hot spot. - Why are their radiometric ages consistent with current rates of plate movement, or near to it? - Why are the ages of seafloor older as you move away from mid-ocean ridges, up to a maximum of 200,000,000 years as seafloor is subducted, and consistent with rates of movement? - Why is there a chain of volcanic plugs with the cones eroded away in Eastern Australia, getting older from south to north, with ages consistent with the rate of movement of the Australian plate? - If I am wrong in inferring from this evidence (not to mention a mass of other evidence) that the world is old and Science has it right, what conclusion should I reach?
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CRR Member (Idle past 2503 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
Cores from the ocean floor near the coast of Spain gives an example of other evidence. Layers of fine silt with forest pollens alternate with ones of coarse deposit and grass pollens. This is because under warm conditions the core site is far from the shore so only fine silt from the nearby rivers reach it, and a warm forest grows on the land. quote: quote: As an aside, Noah did not seem to notice the Ice Age when he planted his vineyard
Of course, because it would have taken hundreds of years for the ice age to develop following the flood, and in any case the ice only covered northern Europe.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2503 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
The Lost Squadron in Greenland shows how ice cores can be misinterpreted to greatly exaggerate ages. In 46 years, from 1942 to 1988, the 8 aircraft were covered by 75m of ice showing hundreds of "annual" layers.
The lost squadron - creation.com Hugh Ross correctly points out that the southeast corner of the Greenland Ice Sheet [where the lost squadron landed] is a relatively warm area with very high snowfall. However, this situation shows that with a different climate regime during the Ice Age with no sea ice and a warm ocean, the rapid development of the Greenland Ice Sheet can occur. Snowfall was much heavier in the first several post—Flood centurieseven heavier than snowfall near the shores of Greenland today.Cold comfort for long-agers - creation.com Ice core clamour - creation.com
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CRR Member (Idle past 2503 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
I've seen articles suggesting they are speeding up but Professor Sergei Pisarevskiy has come to the tentative conclusion that the average rate of tectonic plate movement does change.
"Right now for example it's slower than it was half a billion years agobut approximately the same as it was one and a half billion years ago," he says.Read more at: https://phys.org/...8-world-tectonic-plate-movement.html#jCp Geophysicists have discovered something startling about tectonic plates: when under extreme stress, they hit the gas and can accelerate in speed by up to 20 times. When they're about to split, the plates can move about as fast as the human fingernail grows, and that's very fast indeed as far as continental drift is concerned.Read more at: Scientists Just Figured Out Continental Plates Can Move Up to 20 Times Faster Than We Thought : ScienceAlert They are still only talking about rates of ~20mm/year but it shows that plate movement does not have to be constant. Since they are trying to fit movements into a "millions of years" paradigm it's not surprising they get low numbers.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9583 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Ffs CRR - it's a PRATT
quote: Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2503 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
You obviously didn't read the second paragraph where I mentioned the much higher rate of snowfall in the area where the lost squadron was found.
But yes I should have referred to a more recent article. Are the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets old? Edited by CRR, : added 2nd paragraph
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Tangle Member Posts: 9583 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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CRR writes: You obviously didn't read the second paragraph where I mentioned the much higher rate of snowfall in the area where the lost squadron was found. Oh I certainly did. I've noticed you pull this trick several times now. You play back a pile of crap you've read on the creation web site that we've all seen a million times and add in a tiny part of the rebuttal to appear fair. In fact the full rebuttal tells you that you shouldn't be churning out this crap at all - it's all proven false. Is this all you've got? Crap from creationist web sites? Where's the real science?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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