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ICANT Member (Idle past 282 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi edge,
edge writes: Of course not, it's a normal every day event. It's not a tsunami. And where does the Bible say anything about the flood being a tsunami? You been listening to YEC'S too much. They say a lot of things that the Bible does not say about the flood. What if you had a single land mass that was at 4' above sea level at it highest point, surrounded by water and that water began to rise like it does at the Bay of Fundy. Except coming from all direction of the land mass. How much damage would be done to the land mass? It would not have to rise as fast as it does at the Bay of Fundy to put 15 cubits of water on the highest part of the land mass. If we are talking about 34 feet of water, and 40 days to reach that height.That would take 10.25"s of water per day or .425"s per hr. Now if you wanted to make the land mass higher you would not increase the volume required to do the job by much water per hr. That is the reason I mention the Bay of Fundy which is a sight to behold in person. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member Posts: 9581 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
ICANT writes: What if you had a single land mass that was at 4' above sea level at it highest point, surrounded by water and that water began to rise like it does at the Bay of Fundy. Except coming from all direction of the land mass. How much damage would be done to the land mass? And I guess the Mountains of Ararat (5,137m) where pushed up quietly during the rising tide?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 989 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
That water beneath Asia is 1) chemically combined with the rock down there and not free to flow and 2) at a temperature somewhere over 1000F., and 3) spread very thinly through a enormous mass of rock. It won't help you much - you couldn't extract it with any speed, and if you could, you would also extract enough heat to sterilize the surface of the planet and hard-boil the Ark.
Nope. "The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken
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ICANT Member (Idle past 282 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes: The 'oceans' underground are not in a free flowing state, the water is fused into rock 400 miles deep. Feel free to invoke a miracle. Why would I need a miracle? I got a 5 mile deep area in which to store water. Did I say anything about the water that is 400 miles deep? The Russians got water in their 7 mile deep hole they drilled. So I would think you could hide a lot of water in the 5 mile deep holes the oil companies drill and get water. They use separator's to separate the oil and water. Which is under a lot of pressure at that depth. But you don't have to go 400 miles to find water that is trapped in rock. Water is in an abundant state you can find enough in the asthenosphere to fill the present oceans over 7 times. I wonder how that water got there as the rocks was there before water got to the planet. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member (Idle past 282 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes: And I guess the Mountains of Ararat (5,137m) where pushed up quietly during the rising tide? As the single land mass would have no mountains as the earth had not been divided at that point. That happened at least 109 years after the flood as the earth was divided in the days of Peleg. God :Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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JonF Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2360 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
If you are placing the dividing of the continents 109 years after the flood, the Atlantic Ocean gap would have had to spread 1 mile per year between then and 1492 when major European exploration began--and then it would have had to stop abruptly!
What mechanism accounts for this?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Boof Member (Idle past 501 days) Posts: 99 From: Australia Joined: |
So a couple of quick questions for you ICant. Under your model how long did Noah and all his hundreds / thousands of animals need to survive on the ark for and where did they get all their water from?
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jar Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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boof writes: and where did they get all their water from? that one is easy. You hit a stone with your staff and a spring appears. The Ark would have tons of ballast stones so all that they had to do was plunk your magic twanger froggy.
The idea that there was ever a Biblical flood is worthy only of preschool humor.
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edge Member (Idle past 1960 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
The Russians got water in their 7 mile deep hole they drilled.
Yes, they found chemically bound water. Okay, so how do you extract that water from the deep crust and mantle, bring it to the surface for a year and then where does it go?
So I would think you could hide a lot of water in the 5 mile deep holes the oil companies drill and get water.
I believe you are talking about brine here. Pretty toxic stuff. Just imagine if you flooded the earth with that stuff.
They use separator's to separate the oil and water. Which is under a lot of pressure at that depth.
Exactly. So did God have his separators running?
But you don't have to go 400 miles to find water that is trapped in rock. Water is in an abundant state you can find enough in the asthenosphere to fill the present oceans over 7 times.
First, water is not a state. And you need to explain to us how you extract that water and channel it to the fountains of the deep. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9581 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
ICANT writes: As the single land mass would have no mountains as the earth had not been divided at that point. That happened at least 109 years after the flood as the earth was divided in the days of Peleg. Pardon my confusion but....
quote:Genesis 8:4 Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
edge writes: ICANT writes:
First, water is not a state. But you don't have to go 400 miles to find water that is trapped in rock. Water is in an abundant state you can find enough in the asthenosphere to fill the present oceans over 7 times. And you need to explain to us how you extract that water and channel it to the fountains of the deep. Change leaves evidence. Remove the water from below ground and you will find evidence of that at the surface. San Joaquin Valley has subsided over 30 feet just from pumping irrigation water. The people who try to market the Biblical Flood fantasy simply do not understand that change really does leave evidence and the evidence the Biblical Flood MUST leave had it happened simply does not exist. The Biblical flood is nothing but fantasy.
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ringo Member (Idle past 666 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
And the "eruption" of the fountains of the deep was a part of that idea.
I see nothing about eruption there either. But yes the idea was to destroy all creatures that breathed air. ICANT writes:
There's no reason to think there ever were any. It's just a made-up fantasy.
But I am talking about fountains opened up from huge supplies of water as the body of water in Asia. There could have been many of them. ICANT writes:
If God miraculously turned the fountains on and off, why do you say anything about science at all? Why not just say God poofed the water into existence and then poofed it out of existence?
The water being under great pressure would come forth through what ever hole was made in the rock which hole was later pluged when God closed them.
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ringo Member (Idle past 666 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The "division of the earth" refers to the proliferation of languages after the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11). It has nothing to do with land masses.
As the single land mass would have no mountains as the earth had not been divided at that point. That happened at least 109 years after the flood as the earth was divided in the days of Peleg.
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JonF Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The water being under great pressure would come forth through what ever hole was made in the rock which hole was later pluged when God closed them. Same mistake several creationists have made, including Walt Brown who should know better. The water would have come out as superheated steam. Parboiled Noah, anyone?
Walter Brown's Hydroplate Model
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