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Faith 
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Message 124 of 154 (812592)
06-17-2017 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by LamarkNewAge
06-17-2017 5:57 PM


Re: All New Testament collections are essentially Roman Catholic.
The early Church was just the early Church, not Romanist. There were something like five or six main bishoprics and thousands of separate churches that were more or less independent. It was when the Bishop of Rome got called Universal Bishop in 606 AD that the papacy was born and the Roman Church became a recognizable entity that started issuing decrees and acting like King of the World, and took on the garb of the Roman pagan religions and a lot of their pagan practices like the rosary the celibate priesthood and the confessional and the sign of the cross and worship of saints and all that which is specifically Roman Catholic but not Christian.
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Message 126 of 154 (812613)
06-18-2017 9:28 AM
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06-17-2017 8:45 PM


Re: All New Testament collections are essentially Roman Catholic.
As usual I have a terrible time figuring out anything you write. I don't know what you are trying to prove or why and when I posted the info about the RCC it was because you seemed to be making the usual mistake of identifying the early Church as Roman Catholic which it was not. Otherwise I have no idea what you are on about concerning the Biblical canon and it doesn't interest me.

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Message 129 of 154 (812625)
06-18-2017 2:44 PM
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06-18-2017 2:32 PM


Re: All New Testament collections are essentially Roman Catholic.
What on earth are you talking about? I should know better than ever to address anything to you. Absolutely nothing you are saying has anything to do with anything I've ever said or thought. I mentioned one incident in the 7th century, NOTHING ELSE. Good grief.

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Message 131 of 154 (812638)
06-18-2017 7:53 PM
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06-18-2017 3:57 PM


Re: All New Testament collections are essentially Roman Catholic.
I've never heard of a "Holy Spirit inspi9red era of the Roman Empire" and can't even imagine what it means.
I also never heard of the canon (not cannon) closing in 397.

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Message 133 of 154 (812641)
06-18-2017 11:27 PM
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06-18-2017 10:22 PM


Re: All New Testament collections are essentially Roman Catholic.
I don't really have a clear idea of the early development of the canon, just that the Greek writings were collected by hundreds or thousands of church leaders for use in their own congregations, and eventually collections got compiled and listed at councils, but that there wasn't a completed collection accepted by all for a very long time if ever, and I wouldn't even guess when that was. The collections would all have been of the Greek writings; the Hebrew text wasn't available until just before the Reformation IIRC; if earlier I don't know when; all they had was the Septuagint before that, and it was a completed collection in itself I think.
All I wanted to say about the Roman Church was that it is a mistake to think it is synonymous with the early Church, though that's what the RCC themselves claim. I understand there were some early Roman Catholic-like practices that later became incorporated into it, but they weren't practiced by all the churches. Beyond saying that much it would probably be best if I didn't say any more and you go back to whatever you were engaged in before I jumped in.
I hope saying this much isn't going to cause more confusion.
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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 140 of 154 (812945)
06-21-2017 1:08 PM
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06-21-2017 11:33 AM


Re: Muratorion Canon or Muratorion Fragment?
The writings you are quoting are clearly Roman Catholic, giving their revisionist history of the Church. "Bishop of Rome after Saint Peter" gives it away. Peter was never in Rome as far as anyone knows, and he was certainly never Bishop of Rome.
Early church fathers may certainly be revered by Protestants, but the way they are talked about is far from the way the Roman Church talks about them.

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Message 142 of 154 (812970)
06-21-2017 6:41 PM
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06-21-2017 5:43 PM


Re: Muratorion Canon or Muratorion Fragment?
If you want to be convincing about any of that you need to give clear references to online quotes of Papias, Irenaeus and Tertullian about Peter being in Rome, because that's news to me.

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