The TRVE history of the Flood...

Every time you deny the glaring evidence I have to remind you:Strata and Fossils. In-your-face evidence.

I've proved it from evidence many many times. There's something wrong with the dating methods, sorry.

The sorting is a secondary issue when the trilobites climb the supposed Geological Time Scale for hundreds of millions of years without changing any more than we see any creature microevolving in a few observable years in current time, same as the coelecanths, while evo theory has reptiles evolving into mammals in a time period or two. The whole thing is a big fat sham.

Sure I can and did. It would not have deposited in both places, a vertical mile apart, in the same way, the flat Claron as well as the eroded layer above it -- both had to be there before the raising of the land to the right of the fault; and new deposition should have piled up against the fault line too instead of splitting neatly as it did. Also, he dike penetrates to the very top of the formation, and it's associated with the rising of the land right there and therefore with the fault. Oh I think it's quite clear that all the faulting and the general upheaval shown on that cross section, the dike, the raising of the land at the far north as well as over the Grand Canyon, all of it was part of one great tectonic upheaval. That fault you mention occurs at a point of great stress, near where the land starts to rise to the south, where one of the cliffs formed, and there are other places to the south where the land is cut, all along that rising level. Well of course it's all interpretive, isn't it? The standard interpretation is a piecemeal affair because the whole Geo Time Scale is a piecemeal affair. As for the Great Unconformity I wanted to exclude it for the sake of this discussion so as not to get into all that again, but of course I believe it too occurred at the same time as all the rest of the disturbances shown there, and there are two main evidences I would point to: 1) the fact that the lowest layer in the intact strata above it is raised up at the unconformity, showing that the rising of the land at the very top into which the canyon is cut was all part of the same action, which had to happen after the strata were down because they wouldn't deposit on a hill like that; and 2) the great quartzite boulder that isn't shown on the cross section but is found embedded in the Tapeats sandstone a quarter mile from its point of origin in the Shinumo layer, showing that the land slid a great distance at the unconformity which fits beautifully with my theory about how it occurred.And here's that beautiful cross section again for reference, because I know you love it as much as I do: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Poor poor Science. Can't tell a trilobite from a nontrilobite.

I guess it hardly matters, but nothing RAZD had to say changed anything I had said about the trilobites and coelecanths as evidence against the Time Scale; all it shows is that Science has a fetish about classifying things to fit the ToE.

You DO mean the tilted strata to the north of the fault? How could it not happen afterward if the vertical mile drop happened afterward? And again edge said a long time ago that the tilting is something that faults do, they drag the strata like that.Hm. After reading the rest of your post I'm going to leave it at that. I made my case, you are just floundering around trying to find something to object to. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You guys are SO clever at twisting things to make yourself the winner. How childish.

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I realized I did want to answer more of this. What upper strata? The strata from the Tapeats on up? That makes no sense, so what DO you mean? I have no idea if you are talking about the same thing I am but it sounds like you aren't. I used to use Paint to illustrate stuff but on this computer I haven't set it up and don't know if I will. The Tapeats, the lowest layer of the canyon strata, mounds up over the angled blocks below the unconformity, the unconformity itself mounding up over it. The entire stack from the Tapeats up to the Kaibab follows that mound and the canyon cuts into the Kaibab at the very top. Is this what you are talking about? It doesn't sound like it but who knows.But since it is what I am talking about I'll just reiterate that the mounded shape of the whole block of strata, Tapeats to Kaibab, could not have occurred until after the unconformity was formed because the strata would not have climbed over it as they did, they had to be raised up by the upheaval itself. The immense pressures involved in the action I'm describing would be enough to lithify anything, but the idea that a chunk of quartzite fifteen feet in diameter was just eroded off the Shinumo and then covered in sand REALLY doesn't make sense. How did it get moved a quarter of a mile? And how did it just get "eroded" off the layer anyway? All that implies humongous powerful movement of come sort. Which is nicely provided in my scenario: Tectonic pressure tilts the lower strata into blocks, pushing up the upper strata which were already laid down three miles deep (causing the uppermost layers to crack and opening up the canyon etc etc etc), the whole basement section sliding beneath the upper (Tapeats on up) a quarter of a mile, breaking off the huge hunk of quartzite and carrying a quarter of a mile as the whole lower mass moved horizontally under the upper. This also opened the volcano beneath it all, the magma of which formed the granite and the schist. Etc. Massive earth movement I'm talking about. Good thing Noah and family were still riding the water halfway across the world (though there were probably comparable earth movements going on there too).It's beautiful, it's elegant, it accounts for all the observed phenomena.

That's very informative, seeing it as the end of the Colorado Plateau in particular which fits it into my scenario too, whereas before I didn't have a picture of how and when the plateau had formed. Also interesting the idea that the Claron was probably deformed adjacent to the fault, although since the strata beneath it are upwarped I don't know why the edge of the Claron would be downwarped.

Oh wow, now I can't point out their childishness? Wow/

I had described the upper strata as mounding OVER the Supergroup. "Dipping" is not a term I'd use for it. The point of the mounding is that it demonstrates the pushing up of the upper strata from beneath, since the strata would not follow the contour of the mound if they were laid down afterward. There is really no other reasonable explanation.

Oh get a grip. We don't need your secular apocalyptic fantasies based on your fear of God being real.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So how do you explain the quartzite boulder fifteen feet in diameter that was clearly broken off the Shinumo quartzite but is found embedded in the Tapeats sandstone a quarter of a mile from the Shinumo?