The TRVE history of the Flood...

Hi Edge, Are you that nave?Any hole in the earth is a fountain whether it spews out cold water, hot water, or molten rock. According to whom? The Bible says no such thing.
It only says the water rose and covered the earth. You been reading AIG's fairy tale books that Faith reads. Or some of the Seventh Day Adventist teachings about the flood.You sure have not been reading what the Bible says. No wonder you are so mixed up about the Biblical record of the flood.What evidence do you have that the water coming out of the fountains of the deep would do any damage. The Bible does not say anything about the volcanos erupting only the water rising.The water in the Bay of Fundy rises 55 feet and falls 55 feet every Eleven plus hours and does very little damage.The fountains of the deep are not little small cracks in the rocks, and it would take more than limestone to hold the water pressure the water under the ground at the bottom of the sea is under. Any liquid be it water or oil is under a lot of pressureWe have a lot of fountains of the deep in Florida. Silver Springs, at Ocala, Wakula Springs at Wakula and Homosassa Springs, at Homosassa which produces all the drinking water for St Petersburg. Then we have Blue springs, White springs just to name a few. These put out thousands of gallons per hour 24/7. They do no damage. We have wells that produce water the say way except a pipe has been drilled down to where the water is. Although most of those are capped or have a shutoff valve on them now.But if you want to discuss flood ideas with me you going to have to leave Faith's musings behind. Faith and I agree on one thing and that a world wide flood happened not to far in the past.k:God Bless,

Hi Edge, The water came from the sky and from the fountains of the deep.As far as the biggest geological event in the history of the earth. Why don't you take a trip to the Bay of Fundy and watch the tide come in and go out.If you don't want to take the trip and see it in person you can visit it online. You will notice that even though the water rises and falls 55 feet in 11+ hours it does very little damage.God Bless,

And you know this because you were there ... or it came to you in a dream ...Or you are making it up to attempt to explain the fossils from bazillions of generations of life that lived and died and left their record of the natural history of life on earth, mixed with the gradual accumulation of sediments and radioactive isotopes ... oh wait, you didn't explain the isotopes ...This isn't proof, it is fantasy, simple fantasy.you lose.Enjoy

Yep, couldn't be. We know the laws of physics very well. We know how water affects things very well. We know how gravity works very well.

Ok, if you want to define it that way.But then you have no evidence of any of those holes producing water in the quantity required. Calling them fountains is just labeling.

Faith puts the flood in the distant past, at the K-T boundary, the P-T boundary or even earlier.Biblical scholars tend to place it around 4350 years ago, while DavidJay has an "exact" date of something like 4348 years ago.When do you place it?

Where are you getting this idea? I put the Flood roughly where most YECs put it, about 4300 to 4500 years ago. I don't try to be exact, I figure that's close enough.

I don't follow any particular creationist ministries.

But you use rubber-band years, and attribute to the flood some events that are dated back to the K-T and P-T boundaries or beyond. The Grand Canyon was likely started something like 70 million years back, but you attribute that to the flood. And if I remember correctly (it may have been someone else) don't you attribute continental movements to the flood or post-flood era? Pangaea started to break up about 140-150 million years ago.So if you claim to be using 4300-4500 years ago, your years are rubber-band years without any detectable association with reality.

There is no such thing as the KT or PT boundaries, that's all fiction based on the Geo Time Scale and since I reject all your dating systems you shouldn't pin them on me. Besides the dates I gave are nowhere near your Time Scale dates so why are you claiming they are? I absolutely reject all your dates.Also the cross section I posted of England shows that there was no disturbance in the strata at the time it is claimed that Pagaea broke up. The strata are shown to have been all laid down and then all raised to a tilt in a block. But Pangaea is supposed to have broken up somewhere in the middle of that. The Tectonic force that tilted it all should have happened at that point in the strata deposition but it didn't, and this is a FACT, not something I made up. What is actually depicted is tectonic movement AFTER all the strata were laid down. Even if the scale is off, which it may be, there is no doubting the depiction of ALL the strata being tilted AS A BLOCK. That means Pangaea did NOT break up in the Permian or whichever time period it was supposed to be, it broke up after the whole geological column was laid down.Which is what I kieep arguing for. The cross section of the Grand Staircase-Grand Canyon area shows the same order of events, all strata laid down before tectonic disturbance. The Flood accounts for all the strata and all the fossils and yes I believe the continents moved apart after all the strata were in place, which I hypothesize was due to a massive tectonic upheaval that occurred in conjunction with whatever caused the Flood waters to recede, which could have been the lowering of the sea floor.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, you have to reject all dating methods, as otherwise they disprove your claims. As I noted above, the Pangaea breakup was about 175 million years ago. So, you have humans running around at and before that date.And as Wiki notes: The nearly 40 major sedimentary rock layers exposed in the Grand Canyon and in the Grand Canyon National Park area range in age from about 200 million to nearly 2 billion years old.So, you have to claim that humans were around some 2 billion years ago. That's quite a stretch for 4350 years!No wonder you have to reject all dating methods!

Believe what you want but stop imputing the nonsense of the KT or PT boundary notion to me since I reject the whole Geo Time Scale idiocy.

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There is no such thing as the KT or PT boundaries, that's all fiction based on the Geo Time Scale and since I reject all your dating systems you shouldn't pin them on me

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They exist as geological features regardless of the dating.

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Also the cross section I posted of England shows that there was no disturbance in the strata at the time it is claimed that Pagaea broke up. The strata are shown to have been all laid down and then all raised to a tilt in a block

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As I have already argued, the scale and the map contradict that interpretation.

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The cross section of the Grand Staircase-Grand Canyon area shows the same order of events, all strata laid down before tectonic disturbance.

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No, it shows that there was tectonic disturbance long before all the strata were laid down. Just look at the tilted section of the Grand Canyon Supergroup. How can you possibly argue that the evidence shows that it wasn't tilted until after the strata above it were deposited ?

There are world-wide features that we have labeled "KT boundary" and "PT boundary". If you want to call them something else, make sure you are clear about what you mean and bend extra effort to communicate effectively.But they do exist, no matter how we label them.

They have nothing to do with the YEC date of the Flood so there is no reason to associate them with my views. They belong to the Time Scale dating system, I have nothing to do with them.