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Faith 
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Message 1021 of 1352 (812110)
06-14-2017 9:53 PM
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06-14-2017 8:30 PM


Re: I've proved it a million times already
Bazillions of fossils is evidence of the great fecundity of the pre-Flood world, where the land was all green and kept moist by mists, there were no deserts or other uninhabitable places, and the oceans were teeming with creatures.

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Message 1022 of 1352 (812119)
06-14-2017 10:42 PM
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06-14-2017 8:11 PM


Re: I've proved it a million times already
Strata. Enormous range, enormous depth.
Fossils, bazillions of them.
Billions of years.
The whole point of the Flood was to kill things.
The point of it is irrelevant.

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Message 1023 of 1352 (812188)
06-15-2017 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1021 by Faith
06-14-2017 9:53 PM


Re: I've proved it a million times already
Faith writes:
Bazillions of fossils is evidence of the great fecundity of the pre-Flood world, where the land was all green and kept moist by mists, there were no deserts or other uninhabitable places, and the oceans were teeming with creatures.
Those are all just your unevidenced opinions. You have no evidence to back it up.

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ICANT
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Message 1024 of 1352 (812198)
06-15-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 920 by edge
05-20-2017 11:16 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Hi Edge
Edge writes:
Sure. Okay, please show us where the 'fountains of the deep' were and what is your evidence for them? Just saying that they existed is not evidence.
Edge why would you ask such a question?
You know there are thousands of black smokers in the oceans that spew out superheated water of 350c constantly.
Isn't these hydrothermal vents where life is supposed to have began to exist?
You should know of the fresh water springs in the oceans as the one off Jacksonville Fl and the ones in the Hawaiian Islands that natives got drinking water for many years.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ringo
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Message 1025 of 1352 (812199)
06-15-2017 12:06 PM
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06-14-2017 9:53 PM


Re: I've proved it a million times already
Faith writes:
Bazillions of fossils is evidence of the great fecundity of the pre-Flood world, where the land was all green and kept moist by mists, there were no deserts or other uninhabitable places, and the oceans were teeming with creatures.
The Bible doesn't say that.

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JonF
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Message 1026 of 1352 (812208)
06-15-2017 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1024 by ICANT
06-15-2017 12:03 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
You know there are thousands of black smokers in the oceans that spew out superheated water of 350c constantly.
And the world doesn't flood. Gosh. They can't be the fountains of the deep unless they suddenly started spewing out orders of magnitude more water. Why and how would that happen?
What would the water temperature be if enough of that water were added to flood the Earth? What would the temperature be aboard the alleged Ark?
(The correct notation is 350 C).

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ICANT
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Message 1027 of 1352 (812215)
06-15-2017 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 925 by edge
05-27-2017 9:07 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
Hi Edge,
Edge writes:
There is nowhere for the waters to recede to.
The first thing you would need to know to make such a conclusion is how much water are you talking about.
What was the land elevation at the time of the Biblical Flood?
Was there any mountains, if so how high were they?
The Hebrew word translated mountains means a rise in land mass and is translated by our translators as hills, high hill, and mountains at their discretion. Based upon what they know the earth to look like in the days they were living.
Since you are looking at the earth in the shape it is in today you assume it has always been like it is today.
The Imago Mundi from Babylonia, 500 BCE. Is a map that shows a land mass surrounded by water and 7 islands. Showing the islands means they had water transportation and could navigate to these islands. This map has a cuneiform inscription that makes it a copy of an earlier map of the region. So it was a handed down map of an earlier earth. This particular map is over 2500 years old and in existence today.
So we have no way of knowing what the earth was like before the flood. We can only make assumptions.
We do know what it looks like today because we have satellite's that can take pictures of it.
There is sea shells on the top of the mountain ranges which prove that at one time those mountains were covered with water before they were pushed up into mountains.
Genesis 1:2 tells us the land mass of the earth was covered with water. This is required for the sea shells to be on mountain tops.
Genesis 1:9 tells us all water was gathered into one place and dry land appeared. (I get the same picture from that description as the Babylonian Map of the World known as the Imago Mundi.).
This is required for Pangea to exist as science claims.
So if we could ever determine the sea level of the land mass that existed at the time of the flood we could determine how much water we had to get rid of.
Taking into consideration that The Bay of Fundy waters rise 55' and fall 55' every 11+ hours we have an example of how God can move water around to suite His will.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for God to remove the amount of water needed to cause the dry land to appear as He had already done so in Genesis 1:9.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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edge
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Message 1028 of 1352 (812216)
06-15-2017 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1024 by ICANT
06-15-2017 12:03 PM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Edge why would you ask such a question?
You know there are thousands of black smokers in the oceans that spew out superheated water of 350c constantly.
Yes, I do. And you know that they produce evidence that they exist.
Now, if these fountains of the deep were as advertised, they should have left behind huge deposits of broken rock, metallic deposits and global blankets of geochemical evidence.
Where are these things?
Isn't these hydrothermal vents where life is supposed to have began to exist?
Possibly. But how could they when the eruption was supposed to end all life on the planet?
You should know of the fresh water springs in the oceans as the one off Jacksonville Fl and the ones in the Hawaiian Islands that natives got drinking water for many years.
So, which is it? The black smokers or the freshwater springs?
Can you show us where such fresh water springs are so explosive as to produce the effect of the global flood that Faith adheres to? In fact, they occur in limestones, do they not? How does that happen?

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edge
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Message 1029 of 1352 (812220)
06-15-2017 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1027 by ICANT
06-15-2017 1:08 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
The first thing you would need to know to make such a conclusion is how much water are you talking about.
What was the land elevation at the time of the Biblical Flood?
Was there any mountains, if so how high were they?
The Hebrew word translated mountains means a rise in land mass and is translated by our translators as hills, high hill, and mountains at their discretion. Based upon what they know the earth to look like in the days they were living.
Since you are looking at the earth in the shape it is in today you assume it has always been like it is today.
The Imago Mundi from Babylonia, 500 BCE. Is a map that shows a land mass surrounded by water and 7 islands. Showing the islands means they had water transportation and could navigate to these islands. This map has a cuneiform inscription that makes it a copy of an earlier map of the region. So it was a handed down map of an earlier earth. This particular map is over 2500 years old and in existence today.
So we have no way of knowing what the earth was like before the flood. We can only make assumptions.
We do know what it looks like today because we have satellite's that can take pictures of it.
There is sea shells on the top of the mountain ranges which prove that at one time those mountains were covered with water before they were pushed up into mountains.
Genesis 1:2 tells us the land mass of the earth was covered with water. This is required for the sea shells to be on mountain tops.
Genesis 1:9 tells us all water was gathered into one place and dry land appeared. (I get the same picture from that description as the Babylonian Map of the World known as the Imago Mundi.).
This is required for Pangea to exist as science claims.
So if we could ever determine the sea level of the land mass that existed at the time of the flood we could determine how much water we had to get rid of.
Taking into consideration that The Bay of Fundy waters rise 55' and fall 55' every 11+ hours we have an example of how God can move water around to suite His will.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for God to remove the amount of water needed to cause the dry land to appear as He had already done so in Genesis 1:9.
You know, there is nothing in this entire post that comes close to answering my question of where the water receded to.
Besides we do have some ideas on what the earth looked like in the past. Do you want to discuss that?
ETA: Face it. This would be the biggest geological event in the history of the earth and yet we don't see anything other than normal processes going back into geological history.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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ICANT
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Message 1030 of 1352 (812226)
06-15-2017 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1007 by Coyote
06-14-2017 12:19 PM


Re: I've proved it a million times already
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes:
Particularly when we have evidence from before, during, and after that time period that conclusively disproves any such flood.
What type of a flood are you talking about being disproved? One like Faith talks about or one like the Bible describes? They are two different things.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1031 of 1352 (812229)
06-15-2017 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1027 by ICANT
06-15-2017 1:08 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
The first thing you would need to know to make such a conclusion is how much water are you talking about.
What was the land elevation at the time of the Biblical Flood?
Was there any mountains, if so how high were they?
The Biblical Flood story took place while there were humans on Earth, and during that time there were mountains and they were as high as they are today.

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Coyote
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Message 1032 of 1352 (812241)
06-15-2017 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1030 by ICANT
06-15-2017 1:33 PM


Re: I've proved it a million times already
What type of a flood are you talking about being disproved? One like Faith talks about or one like the Bible describes? They are two different things.
Any global flood ca. 4350 years ago has been disproved.
My own archaeological and genetic research alone disproves a flood at that time, and my colleagues all over the world and going back upwards of 200 years have conclusively disproved a global flood at that time.

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Message 1033 of 1352 (812242)
06-15-2017 2:17 PM


It seems simple to me
The Flood can perfectly explain the evidence so long as we assume that the laws of physics were somehow different, so that the Flood would produce the evidence we see. We don't know how the laws of physics would have to differ, we don't know if there is any conceivable difference in the laws of physics that would be sufficient. And we certainly don't have any evidence that the laws of physics were different in the recent past.
The conclusion is obvious.

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Faith 
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Message 1034 of 1352 (812274)
06-15-2017 5:06 PM
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06-15-2017 2:17 PM


Re: It seems simple to me
Couldn't be that you have the wrong idea about how the laws of physics work in such a situation.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1035 of 1352 (812278)
06-15-2017 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1034 by Faith
06-15-2017 5:06 PM


Re: It seems simple to me
It's your idea, not mine. And considering that you are talking about hydrodynamics working differently - as well as something that makes every single dating method give consistently wrong results, whether they are based on nuclear decays (and different elements with different decay properties at that) or annual or seasonal events or whatever - it is hard to imagine how even changes to physical law could do the trick.

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