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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1693 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Bazillions of fossils is evidence of the great fecundity of the pre-Flood world, where the land was all green and kept moist by mists, there were no deserts or other uninhabitable places, and the oceans were teeming with creatures.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Strata. Enormous range, enormous depth. Fossils, bazillions of them. Billions of years.
The whole point of the Flood was to kill things. The point of it is irrelevant.
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Taq Member Posts: 10293 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
Faith writes: Bazillions of fossils is evidence of the great fecundity of the pre-Flood world, where the land was all green and kept moist by mists, there were no deserts or other uninhabitable places, and the oceans were teeming with creatures. Those are all just your unevidenced opinions. You have no evidence to back it up.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 276 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Edge
Edge writes: Sure. Okay, please show us where the 'fountains of the deep' were and what is your evidence for them? Just saying that they existed is not evidence. Edge why would you ask such a question? You know there are thousands of black smokers in the oceans that spew out superheated water of 350c constantly. Isn't these hydrothermal vents where life is supposed to have began to exist? You should know of the fresh water springs in the oceans as the one off Jacksonville Fl and the ones in the Hawaiian Islands that natives got drinking water for many years. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 660 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The Bible doesn't say that.
Bazillions of fossils is evidence of the great fecundity of the pre-Flood world, where the land was all green and kept moist by mists, there were no deserts or other uninhabitable places, and the oceans were teeming with creatures.
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JonF Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You know there are thousands of black smokers in the oceans that spew out superheated water of 350c constantly. And the world doesn't flood. Gosh. They can't be the fountains of the deep unless they suddenly started spewing out orders of magnitude more water. Why and how would that happen? What would the water temperature be if enough of that water were added to flood the Earth? What would the temperature be aboard the alleged Ark? (The correct notation is 350 C).
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ICANT Member (Idle past 276 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Edge,
Edge writes: There is nowhere for the waters to recede to. The first thing you would need to know to make such a conclusion is how much water are you talking about. What was the land elevation at the time of the Biblical Flood?Was there any mountains, if so how high were they? The Hebrew word translated mountains means a rise in land mass and is translated by our translators as hills, high hill, and mountains at their discretion. Based upon what they know the earth to look like in the days they were living. Since you are looking at the earth in the shape it is in today you assume it has always been like it is today. The Imago Mundi from Babylonia, 500 BCE. Is a map that shows a land mass surrounded by water and 7 islands. Showing the islands means they had water transportation and could navigate to these islands. This map has a cuneiform inscription that makes it a copy of an earlier map of the region. So it was a handed down map of an earlier earth. This particular map is over 2500 years old and in existence today. So we have no way of knowing what the earth was like before the flood. We can only make assumptions. We do know what it looks like today because we have satellite's that can take pictures of it. There is sea shells on the top of the mountain ranges which prove that at one time those mountains were covered with water before they were pushed up into mountains. Genesis 1:2 tells us the land mass of the earth was covered with water. This is required for the sea shells to be on mountain tops. Genesis 1:9 tells us all water was gathered into one place and dry land appeared. (I get the same picture from that description as the Babylonian Map of the World known as the Imago Mundi.).This is required for Pangea to exist as science claims. So if we could ever determine the sea level of the land mass that existed at the time of the flood we could determine how much water we had to get rid of. Taking into consideration that The Bay of Fundy waters rise 55' and fall 55' every 11+ hours we have an example of how God can move water around to suite His will. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for God to remove the amount of water needed to cause the dry land to appear as He had already done so in Genesis 1:9. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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edge Member (Idle past 1955 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Edge why would you ask such a question?
Yes, I do. And you know that they produce evidence that they exist. You know there are thousands of black smokers in the oceans that spew out superheated water of 350c constantly. Now, if these fountains of the deep were as advertised, they should have left behind huge deposits of broken rock, metallic deposits and global blankets of geochemical evidence. Where are these things?
Isn't these hydrothermal vents where life is supposed to have began to exist?
Possibly. But how could they when the eruption was supposed to end all life on the planet?
You should know of the fresh water springs in the oceans as the one off Jacksonville Fl and the ones in the Hawaiian Islands that natives got drinking water for many years.
So, which is it? The black smokers or the freshwater springs? Can you show us where such fresh water springs are so explosive as to produce the effect of the global flood that Faith adheres to? In fact, they occur in limestones, do they not? How does that happen?
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edge Member (Idle past 1955 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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The first thing you would need to know to make such a conclusion is how much water are you talking about.
You know, there is nothing in this entire post that comes close to answering my question of where the water receded to. What was the land elevation at the time of the Biblical Flood?Was there any mountains, if so how high were they? The Hebrew word translated mountains means a rise in land mass and is translated by our translators as hills, high hill, and mountains at their discretion. Based upon what they know the earth to look like in the days they were living. Since you are looking at the earth in the shape it is in today you assume it has always been like it is today. The Imago Mundi from Babylonia, 500 BCE. Is a map that shows a land mass surrounded by water and 7 islands. Showing the islands means they had water transportation and could navigate to these islands. This map has a cuneiform inscription that makes it a copy of an earlier map of the region. So it was a handed down map of an earlier earth. This particular map is over 2500 years old and in existence today. So we have no way of knowing what the earth was like before the flood. We can only make assumptions. We do know what it looks like today because we have satellite's that can take pictures of it. There is sea shells on the top of the mountain ranges which prove that at one time those mountains were covered with water before they were pushed up into mountains. Genesis 1:2 tells us the land mass of the earth was covered with water. This is required for the sea shells to be on mountain tops. Genesis 1:9 tells us all water was gathered into one place and dry land appeared. (I get the same picture from that description as the Babylonian Map of the World known as the Imago Mundi.).This is required for Pangea to exist as science claims. So if we could ever determine the sea level of the land mass that existed at the time of the flood we could determine how much water we had to get rid of. Taking into consideration that The Bay of Fundy waters rise 55' and fall 55' every 11+ hours we have an example of how God can move water around to suite His will. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for God to remove the amount of water needed to cause the dry land to appear as He had already done so in Genesis 1:9. Besides we do have some ideas on what the earth looked like in the past. Do you want to discuss that? ETA: Face it. This would be the biggest geological event in the history of the earth and yet we don't see anything other than normal processes going back into geological history. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 276 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes: Particularly when we have evidence from before, during, and after that time period that conclusively disproves any such flood. What type of a flood are you talking about being disproved? One like Faith talks about or one like the Bible describes? They are two different things. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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The first thing you would need to know to make such a conclusion is how much water are you talking about. What was the land elevation at the time of the Biblical Flood?Was there any mountains, if so how high were they? The Biblical Flood story took place while there were humans on Earth, and during that time there were mountains and they were as high as they are today.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2355 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
What type of a flood are you talking about being disproved? One like Faith talks about or one like the Bible describes? They are two different things. Any global flood ca. 4350 years ago has been disproved. My own archaeological and genetic research alone disproves a flood at that time, and my colleagues all over the world and going back upwards of 200 years have conclusively disproved a global flood at that time.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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The Flood can perfectly explain the evidence so long as we assume that the laws of physics were somehow different, so that the Flood would produce the evidence we see. We don't know how the laws of physics would have to differ, we don't know if there is any conceivable difference in the laws of physics that would be sufficient. And we certainly don't have any evidence that the laws of physics were different in the recent past.
The conclusion is obvious.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1693 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Couldn't be that you have the wrong idea about how the laws of physics work in such a situation.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17907 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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It's your idea, not mine. And considering that you are talking about hydrodynamics working differently - as well as something that makes every single dating method give consistently wrong results, whether they are based on nuclear decays (and different elements with different decay properties at that) or annual or seasonal events or whatever - it is hard to imagine how even changes to physical law could do the trick.
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