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Phat
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Message 212 of 224 (797302)
01-16-2017 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by ringo
01-16-2017 10:43 AM


Re: Omni-God
sometimes you don't make consistent sense. On the one hand, you say that all God does it tell Noah to be responsible for his own salvation. On the other, you say that if you could imagine God as existing, He is then obligated to prevent evil. In other words, your God becomes one whom You define and create.
Our duty is to listen and obey, not to direct.
There would have been no need to build a boat without a flood. The evidence showed no likelihood of a flood.
People too often wait for evidence and the indecisiveness dooms them.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Phat
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Message 216 of 224 (811523)
06-09-2017 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 7:21 PM


But maybe your last sentence Phat, was meant to suggest that we humans are flawed in our ability to achieve our goals ... without the Lord or without God. For if that was your intent, then I shall totally agree with you !!!
Well then we agree---at least on that point. Humans need a Jesus App...

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 217 of 224 (811565)
06-09-2017 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 7:21 PM


NEED
Without the Lord, the great potential within us will die and be wasted in our short lived lives, and we will have failed to reach any goals or lets say the proper goals individually or for the sake of soceity as a whole.
jar and ringo would argue that there is no such thing as Original Sin and that everyone on the planet is capable of accepting the charge without accepting GOD since HE is beyond our understanding....ringo would go so far as to argue that GOD is either silent or more likely a myth.
Simply a difference of opinion. I have never been able to convince anyone at EvC that I know that Jesus is alive.
Some here, such as New Cats Eye (longtime Catholic) have gotten saved on their own.
Tell us some of your experiences in street ministry. (No cut & pastes,please)
What makes you believe that salvation comes through knowing Christ? What have you seen that confirms it in your own mind and heart?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 218 of 224 (811567)
06-09-2017 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 11:17 AM


Re: We have no flaws
Davidjay writes:
For even from birth, we have had the Holy Spirit whispering in each of our ears, and witnessing the Lord and truths in our ears and in our brains and hearts... none of us have NOT had her whispering THEREIN.
Jesus would never call anyone stupid or willfully ignorant for resisting the inner unction. Perhaps some believe that they hear nothing.
Surely you have met such people, no?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 219 of 224 (811568)
06-09-2017 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by ringo
01-19-2017 11:28 AM


Re: Omni-God
ringo writes:
But if there was a God who could prevent evil and didn't, he would be the enemy.
Or perhaps He is waiting on you to do it.
Perhaps GOD is silent around you...for a reason. (Apart from your conclusion that He does not exist)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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