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Message 164 of 186 (810091)
05-23-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Faith
08-01-2016 9:45 AM


Re: Topic Remix
Faith writes:
Faith in the right things, true things, real things although unseen things, faith in the true God and His revelation in the Bible, can certainly lead to knowledge of things in the real world. Nobody is claiming faith "is supported by evidence or science," what we are claiming is that faith LEADS to knowledge that can be scientific.
The critics will claim that in order for any claim to be scientific it has to be verified through the scientific method.
Believers are passionate about their source, though it is technically unverifiable without belief. I know. I am one of them.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 165 of 186 (810092)
05-23-2017 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Taq
09-20-2016 2:32 PM


Re: At The End Of The Day...
Taq writes:
Theists believe that writing something down or saying something makes it true by the very act of writing it or saying it. You take that same position, treating scriptures as dogmatically true simply because somebody wrote them down.
You are basically correct. Belief is very strong in that one.
Our argument is that belief needs to be respected rather than simply dismissed without evidence.
Your argument is that science by definition rejects and dismisses a myriad of things on a regular basis.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 177 of 186 (810374)
05-28-2017 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by ringo
05-23-2017 12:06 PM


Re: Topic Remix
How do you compare one source with another if you throw science out the window?
Because "science" is not the only way that we make choices.
Not everything in life is evident.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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