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Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah.

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ringo
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Message 111 of 176 (807892)
05-06-2017 11:46 AM 		Reply to: Message 109 by Davidjay
05-06-2017 11:11 AM

Re: Israel is never mentioned in Isaiah 53
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But go ahead and promote the evolutionary idea and atheistic idea that God in Isaiah and elsewhere in the Bible is a racist and favours one nation over another... its untrue, but its what the churchies teach, and what the religions teach and what politicians teach..to start their wars and continue the killing.
It's what the Bible teaches:
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Joel 3:1-2 "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land.
God will punish all other nations for how they've treated Israel.
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05-07-2017 2:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 119 by Davidjay
05-07-2017 10:31 AM

Re: Israel is never mentioned in Isaiah 53
Davidjay writes:
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Ringo you are blatantly against the Bible and the Lord, and yet pick out bible verses to supposedly support racism and elitism and the the supposed superior branch called Zionism
I respect the Bible more than you do. I pointed out what it actually says, whereas you twist it.
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05-28-2017 2:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 150 by Davidjay
05-27-2017 7:25 PM

Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
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As a bible lesson, you really need to study the life of Jacob, the trickster.
He was lazy and therefore became a trickster, trying to trick his way into blessings...and being the chosen one. He tricked his father into blessing him rather than blessing his brother Esau.
God chose Jacob. Unless you want to conclude that Jacob tricked God, you might want to rethink.
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Message 153 of 176 (810429)
05-29-2017 11:43 AM 		Reply to: Message 152 by Davidjay
05-29-2017 11:16 AM

Re: Jacob was a 'trickster'
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The Lord choose Jacob because he changed and repented and learned trickery was not a means to an end.
Nope. God chose Jacob before he was even born. He said to Rebekah:
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Genesis 25:23 ...Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
Isaac was the only one who needed to be fooled into doing the will of God.
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