Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah.

Ringo you are blatantly against the Bible and the Lord, and yet pick out bible verses to supposedly support racism and elitism and the the supposed superior branch called Zionism Joel and all the other prophets teach and show prophetically how the new NATION of individuals who have individually chosen the Lord and His love as their Saviour and Deliverer, will go through the Last Days and fight against the whole world of nations..See and studyNew Nation of the LordBecause many Christians get involved in worldly politics and worldly churches who bless and sanctify whatever their
worldly nation does. Allow me to post just some of the verses about the New Nation that the Lord promised He would bless
and protect, because it is a spiritual NATION that has not yet been gathered. SEE Last Gathering. Because the Lord won't
be gathering rebellious people unto Himself but those that love Him and others. And those that believe in Him as their
MessiahIsa 65:2-3 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good,
after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and
burneth incense upon altars of brick; (Yes the Lord has been reaching out to the Jewish Nation, that as a nation has rejected
HIm)Deut 32: 28-29 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them. O that they were wise,
that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end! (For All nations will come to nothing without the Prince
of Peace)Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock (The Rock of Salvation)Deut 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities:
and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
(For as Moses was told, the Lord's would move the jewish nation and all nations into jealousy with the foolish nation, yet to
be gathered. Why are we foolish in their eyes, because we have no country and no power except the Lord We trust only in
Him and Not in military might)1Cr 1:27-29 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak
things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised,
hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his
presence. (Yes the Lord shall select us if we are humbly following Him, and won;t choose some so-called powerful worldly
nation that depends on the arm of the flesh. or supposed promises of their invincibility)1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy NATION a peculiar people; that ye should shew
forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (Yes, we Christians are called a
NATION, and a Holy nation at that because He is our Righteousness. )1Peter 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now
have obtained mercy (Exactly, because we are not yet a people and not yet united and not yet gathered as His Bride .. but we
will)Isaiah 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that
mourn for her: I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me,
behold me, unto a NATION that was not called by my name. (Can you see it, the Lord chooses those that weren't looking for
Him, those that were just looking for truth, or for love, and what do they find but the Lord of truth and love. They didn't
want religion, but they got the LORD of life. They didn't want false spirituality and the church system, and so the Lord
finds his lost sheep and gathers them from all walks of life.)Isaiah 66: 5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my
name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.(Yes, as even the
church members will cast us out and 'Call us Devils' and even kill us as Jesus said in John 16)Isa 66:6-7 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his
enemies Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. (Who is this man
child ?)Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or
shall a NATION be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. (Yes we shall be born in a
day, in the day of tribulation, at the start of the worst period in human history, we shall come together and become a
NATION. SEE Daniel Timeline)Isa 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the
womb? saith thy God. (NO, all our trials and tribulations and being forsaken, all our birth pains will be forth it when we
are delivered, and find His Sheep Fold, even BEFORE His 2nd Coming)Revelation 12: 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed
her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (For at that time, at the start of the tribulation we will be gathered
together from all over the world and will flee together as in the First Exodus, which was just a foreshadowing of our greater
2nd Exodus )Isaiah 65:5 I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. (So who is this David that the
Lord will make a covenant with ------. a David of a wordly country like America or Israel.? No the End-Time King David,
that will be one of our Two witnesses of the Tribulation. )Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. (For there it is once
again, Our King and Our Priest in the End Time shall lead us, and be our witnesses.CONTINUE to PART 2From NewNationoftheLordWorldly Israel is not Israel in the bible, worldly Israel is hardly aligned to the Lord and is definitely not superior to any other nation or people. Thats racism.The New Nation as described in the minor and major prophets is put together before the Last Days to survive the Last Days and to follow the Lord til then end.Should I post PART 2 as well ?

Always add to the topic and further explain how the topic of Isaiah 53, does not include the worldly country of Israel. This I do and have been doing.But putting up SPAM pics is spamming and does not add to the content or discussion.So allow me this opportunity to again prove that the Lord is not a racist and Isaiah 53 does not imply that God favours a worldly nation that calls itself Israel.Heres set theory or SET LAW it is mathematics and determines LOGIC.God is love, Love is for all not for some, God is therefore for all and loves all. If one loves all they are not racists and not elitists and do not favor one over anyone else in the ALL SET of all humans.Jesus died for all and not for some, fulfilling love and again showing God is not a racist.The Lord loves people not man made groupings called nations.Set theory or set law or mathematics shows that worldly Israel is not a chosen special different nation favored by God or by Jesus.Selah

The chosen people have always been those that choose the Lord, always as in ALWAYS.Anyone could join Moses Exodus, and become chosen, despite their background....or bloodlines they just had to believe in the "Messiah to come' (Jesus). It was the law.Multitudes died in the wilderness because they wanted to go back and were rebellious and disobedient.... they were not chosen, as bloodlines never rule and are not a determining facter.For one was chosen the other rejected as in Cain and Able...right from the start.For which of the prophets have NOT your fathers killed, said the Lord. The so called chosen ones killed the Lords true people....Rahab was chosen even though a prostitute, Ruth was chosen even though ******, Mary Magdalene was chosen even though **** the woman at the well was chosen even though **** it was never by nationality or bloodlines, never EVER.Its a con, that the worldly Israel uses to get people on its side, no country is sacrosanct, no country is superior or a special branch or an evolutionary mutaion that the Lord chose to be better than anyone else.Choice is the paramount PRINCIPLE, always and forever. To be chosen, you must CHOOSE the Lord and choose LOVE.SEE Evolution is a RACIST doctrine.Moses prophesided over and over again about the disobedience and poor choosing of the multiple of his followers... and they all died in the wilderness until a new generation of youth and young rose up and believed. Its always been about believe and faith and courage, never about bloodlines and heritage....SEE next article for insights from a different angle.....

Moses' Prophecies about Two Israel’sBecause Jacob had to wrestle to become Israel and because Israel has to choose to become Spiritual Israel to
inherit the promises and fulfill all prophecies and because the Children of Israel have to place the Blood of the
Lamb on the doorposts of their hearts in the exact same way as do strangers, let’s look at one of the original
prophecies in the Bible from one of the greatest leaders of the Bible who talked with the great “I am”� and
Jesus as well . ..MOSES.For in the Torah, before Moses’s death, he prophesied directly against the rebellious older generation that
he had lead or dragged through the wilderness and spent 40 years and not 40 days with. He prophesied saying
unto physical disobedient Israel: (my comments are in parenthesis)“I will hide my face from them, (and it has been ever since, except to those that accept the true Messiah) what
their end shall be, for they be a very froward generation, children in whom is NO FAITH (only law and tradition
and force like with all worldly people).They have moved me (the Lord) to jealousy (for He is a jealous God because He created us and wants us to serve
only Him with a true heart of love) with that which is not God (For they showed their hearts by making an idol
to return to Egypt and its so-called comforts even though it meant enslavement once again. And so it is with all
those that are materialistic and want a physical God rather than a Spiritual God based on the principles of love
and respect and truth) They have provoked me (the Lord) to anger (and it is a frightening thing to make the
Lord Our God our personal enemy) with their vanities.And I (the Lord) will move them to JEALOUSY with those that are not a people (The Lord is saying to Moses
that he will make physical Israel jealous of spiritual Israel when he gathers them...in the Last Gathering.. For
Isaiah, the great prophet said the exact same thing.Isaiah 65
I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found
of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold
me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
Isa 65:2
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious
people, which walketh in a way that was not good,
after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my
face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense
upon altars of brick;
Isa 65:4
Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the
monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of
abominable things is in their vessels;
Isa 65:5
Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I
am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a
fire that burneth all the day.And even in the new testament peter said the exact same thing.......1 Peter 2
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed
indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an
holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable
to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I
lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he
that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but
unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the
builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the
corner,
1Pe 2:8
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to
them which stumble at the word, being disobedient:
whereunto also they were appointed.(part 2 coming up)

The Lord is not a racist, and has no favorites and special people except those people that chose HIM. If they choose the chosen one Jesus they are special even though the same as all other people..its the choice in choosing the Messiah or those of the past that choose the "Messiah to come' that makes one special and chosen..nothing else, nothing as in NOTHING ELSE.Racism is wrong and causes wars, when people think they are superior because of where they were born or who they born from, it causes division and hatrd and racist behaviour, including war.SEE Evolution is a racist doctrine. The Lord never promoted racism, never....The Lord promised to hide His Face from them,,, because of their disobediences....They were chosen to be a dandy bad example, so that it shows that groups and groupies do NOT make it into the gates of heaven.. Only individuals.... individually choosing.If a jewish person chooses the Messiah, same process as anyone else. fair equal and JUST, all the same.Principle is Equality and CHOICE

Darn NoNukes, I cant find the article of mine called Badmouthing Rahab, our sister in the Lord.For there is no such thing as an honourary Jew, you are either in or out... either the Lord accepts you or He doesn;t accept you into the congregation..... no in betweens and half hearts, ALL or nothing, she was either saved or forsaken and lost.She was saved and chosen and special.Forget her so called sins as she was a whore so were a lot of the Lords women....Mary Magdalene etc.... woman at the well etc...
Ruth etc.....Theirs hearts were pure because the choose the pure one... the Messiah to come or if they were after Jesus birth, the Messiah that had come. No difference.

Dont get offended NoNukes, but you seem to be saying over and over again, that the Bible says God has a chosen people according to bloodlines...... and that they are special.Do you not know that such a statement means they are superior rather than equal to all other people. Dont you relaise that such a doctrine would promote hatred between them and others.So do be clear and state clearly whether or not you believe in your Bible interpretation that the Lord favors the worldly nation of Israel, and that they are special and chosen.And then explain if you think so why this is not racism and devisive.Allow me to differ by saying, ..... the Bible and Jesus and scriptures and all the prophets say no nation or bloodlines is pure and righteous..... all are unrighteous and all are EQUAL

Cats Eye, NO you are intentionally trying to misrepresent me... intentionally to try and accuse the Lord as inconsistent.The Lord is always consistent and always has the same values, Choice and Equality,, which leads to fairness and justice. He is the Righteous Judge which is why He is able to judge you according to your heart and actions BOTH. ha as well as your words. No, the Lorfd had to start with some one... Adam and a lineage to show that lineage is not the determining factor. Grouping together never helped anyone aget salvation and blessings. It has always been according to their choices.Moses kept saying, If anyone, or as Joshua said.Choose you this day, whom you will follow either the Lord or *****Its always been choice, and the mixed multitude out of Egypt had to continually choose if they were going to follow, and so many died in the wilderness or got swallowed up by the Earth when they choose poorly, when they rebelled against Moses, when they accused Moses, when they had no FAITH to move forward. These half hearts and whimps made Moses spend 40 years in the wilderness when the trip only took 40 days. They were gutless disobedient, and faithless. They had to die out before a new generation of faith and courage rose up and choose the Lord individually.Dont you know this Cats Eye,haven;t you ever trusted the Lord and chosen the Lord personally ? I would assume not when you try and accuse the Lord and the Bible of being inconsistent.No the Lord has always been about personal choice, as Cain choose to kill his brother Abel. Some choose wisely and via love, some choose poorly as you have done and have tried to accuse the Lord and His words.

Yes, I wish they would tone down their attacks on me, and stop calling me loony, and a charlatan and a liar.I wish they would attack racism and inequality and war industries and war economies. I wish they would stick to the topics and focus in on beneficial morals and beneficial truths rather than their pet non existant mythical benefical mutations. But its hard for them to change, besides the discussion board is mainly for READERS rather than just the particpants.In this thread, I am explaining from different angles why the worldly nation of Israel, like almost every nationality or nation is NOT in Isiaah 53, but its about the Messiah (Jesus) and about His people who believe in live out equality and love and sharing.Let the discussions go on, as Isaiah 53 is NOT about the worldly nation of Israel, or the nation that calls itself Israel.Israel was a person, he was Jacob who learned not to trick his brethren, through the bad experiences afterwards that the Lord made him go through until he learned.Israel learned not to trick and deceive and not to be a counterfeit and think he could steal birth rights through deception and words. Israel learned humility and honesty. Israel learned it as an individual. THIS IS ISRAEL

My weak opposition that disagrees with me, that God is not a racist and God doesd not have favorites and does not have a superior chosen group of groupies or chosen people... have no legs to stand on.Their stance or opinion or belief system is pro superior race and causes endless wars and fights and battles.They try to say that God favors bloodlines and where one is born, and which group one is born into to.As mentioned this is anti-Bible and anti-love and anti- peace, yet they infer ..the Bible is anti-peace, and anti-love and equality.Which again proves that people will twist the bible to suit their own aims and desires, no matter how twisted the conclusion gets, just to support their favored selection as the best.They dont fight for equality, they fight for their inequality which means their supposed superiority.The Lord is just and fiar, and has NO FAVORITES.Equality wins, love wins, Jesus has won.Moses had a mixed multitude which failed miserably in the wilderness because they choose individually not to choose the Messiah's leadership and the Messiahs WORDS.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Direct exact words of the Lord of Lords......Moses Informed of Israel's Sin
8"They have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it and have sacrificed to it and said, 'This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!'" 9The LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people. 10"Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation."
New American Standard Bible
Cross References
Acts 7:51
You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit, just as your fathers did.Exodus 33:3
"Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey; for I will not go up in your midst, because you are an obstinate people, and I might destroy you on the way."These Israelis were not His chosen people, they were unbelievers and rebellious....... true people of the Lord choose the Lord and follow the Lord and know the LORD. They dont fight the Lord and fight for their special priviledges of themselves above others.Jesus wins, love winsFollow the Lord

Do get under control Cats eye, and leave your fucking...... terminology out of this discussion.If you have met God, then show some class, and as a poster do follow the rules HEREIN.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Cats eye, you really have to get under control, your anger is overwhelming you..You wrote again Even your fellow evolutionary theorists might consider your remarks 'out of line' or against civility or disgusting.Debaters have to choose their words wisely rather just trust that because they seemingly are in a majority opinion, they can write 'whatever the fuck I want.'Show some restraint and some class.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Be very wary of any preacher that relates to poltics, or any politician that tries to connect with religion. Both are dangerous and totally devoid.Church and State are supposed to be separate and should be.Never ever have a political opinion and mix in your religious belief system to it to supposedly justify it. Its a con.As an individual you better be unaligned politically. Dont be conned into LEFT versus Right thinking, making the other side the enemy, ready for a civil war between the two of you.Never think religion is a dividing line, where you automatically hate the other religion. Always stay individual in discernment and do not become a groupie, in order t elevate your lowly self esteem. It doesnt work, only you and your choices concerning love and life matter. Stick to them, know them and live them out.********************If you don't hate this present world, then you probably aren't truly a Christian. If you are accepted by it and a success in it, then
you probably aren't one of the Lord's sheep. If you don't see how absolutely unfair the world's judgmennt is, then you probably
aren't looking for the Lord's justice. If you aren't appalled by the governments of this world and their wars then you probably
aren't a citizen of the Lord's heavenlu kingdom.For Jesus wasn't exaggerrating when He said...If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of
the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.(John 15: 19) So the Lord tells us that if we are
His, we won't be connected to this world and its systems. They won't love us, but hate us literally and persecute us no end.(John 15:20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they
will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. So if we aren't persceuted then we probably aren't
the Lord's or aren't doing his work. And if they aren't calling us rebels and devils, then we probably aren't following the Lord
and aren't real Christians.Why because .... (Mathew 10: 25) If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of
his household ? For remember they called Jesus, a devil, so if we follow Him, sometime, some place in the future we can expect
to be called devils as well .... for it is written and it will happen to us, even if it hasn;t happenned yet. For it's a promise of the
LORD just like all his other promises, it has to happen to us if we follow the Lord. We won't be called 'good sweet loving
Christians' but just the opposite. (SEE We shall be called devils )Therefore if we love the world, and are accepted by the world and see nothing wrong with the world, then in truth we must not be
of the Lord but of the world. And then the Lord can't deliever us out of the world spiritually or physically because we are
attached to it, aligned to it and dedicated to it.But if we love the Lord's word, it separates us from the world ...John 17:14
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated
them, because they are not of the world, even as I am
not of the world.Jhn 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the
world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.Jhn 17:16
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.Please don't love the world ...... I am more convinced than ever that the Lord's people are cast offs and rejects and not nice little
sweet, nothing ever happens to them types. The Lord's people have emotions and have had experiences, whether good and bad,
they have faced evil before and know what it is and hate it with all their strength. They hate hypocracy and have learned
courage and bravery and are NOT whimps. They may be in jail, they may be in groups fighting for different causes, they may be
recluses in communes, they may be even be in mental hospitals, but they aren't usually normal church, synagogue, mosque types.They are real people that just want freedom for them and others and are willing to pay the price. They have guts and will do what
has to do done. They aren't word manipulators and on-line scribes and pharisees, but honest to goodness brethren that have heart
and soul for others and have been through the trials and tribulations and pain and sorrow so that they appreciate freedom and
LOVE. They are willing to forsake their lives for Jesus, and willing to lay down their lives for others.They are few, very, very few but they are out there. And they will humble us no end by their actions and sincerity and love, but it
is our job to find them where ever they are and give them the Lord's words. Most surely already hate the world, they don't have to
be taught that, they already have experienced its vile, and want no part of this world's evil systems. The Lord's children are NOT
part of this world, they hate it.Let's pray we don't love this present world !!David Jay Jordan

Worldly Israel is not a blessed protected sacrosanct nation before the Lord. Thats a con, thats untrue and causes no end of trouble but just aligns sides into war and more war.All individuals are equal before their Creator, no one has special status. Bloodlines mean nothing, its only the cards we have been dealt.Choose love not hate, choose unaligned rather than politically aligned..Choose peace and not war