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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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It makes no difference in any of my responses though. Duh! That's because you're a charlatan!
Nothing makes any difference to your responses. You just keep repeating the same old refuted nonsense as if you're actually saying something. We'll all be here rolling our eyes and laughing at you while you make a fool of yourself. Carry on.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2328 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Calling me a charlatan, over and over again is hardly honorable nor does it expand this topic... Cat's Eye, especially for a Christian to do so..
******************************* Isaiah 53 never mentions Israel in one place... never eludes to a country or the person of Jacob or Israel... never ever Chapter 531 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. (**********************end***) How in the world can the Jews or Jewish backers in churchianity, ever suggest that Isaiah 53 is about them or their worldly country. Please explain ... Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Calling me a charlatan, over and over again is hardly honorable nor does it expand this topic... Yeah, and spamming us with cut-n-pastes from your website is against the forum rules that you agreed to when you made an account here.
Isaiah 53 never mentions Israel in one place... never eludes to a country or the person of Jacob or Israel... never ever The Book of Isaiah mentions Israel in the third verse:
quote: To claim that this book is not about nations is retarded. It doesn't matter if the word "israel" is used in the 53rd chapter or not.
How in the world can the Jews or Jewish backers in churchianity, ever suggest that Isaiah 53 is about them or their worldly country. Please explain ... Well, I mean, the book is literally about nations... what else is there to say? Here, here's another source:
quote: And from the wiki page:
quote: and:
quote: Look, it is about nations.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2328 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
God is not a racist nor nationalistic..
For as He said directly and distinctly.. All nations are as nothing to me.... LOOK IT UP And as He said..ALL nations shall accept the Mark of the Beast, and become one in the End...all as in ALL. But go ahead and promote the evolutionary idea and atheistic idea that God in Isaiah and elsewhere in the Bible is a racist and favours one nation over another... its untrue, but its what the churchies teach, and what the religions teach and what politicians teach..to start their wars and continue the killing. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2093 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined: |
But go ahead and promote the evolutionary idea and atheistic idea that God in Isaiah and elsewhere in the Bible is a racist and favours one nation over another... its untrue, but its what the churchies teach, and what the religions teach and what politicians teach..to start their wars and continue the killing That's why incoherent ramblings from primitive cultures should not be taken literally.That's why there are so many denominations and that is why your interpretations of the Holy Babel are no better than the next guys. It's all made up bullshit.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Davidjay writes:
It's what the Bible teaches:
But go ahead and promote the evolutionary idea and atheistic idea that God in Isaiah and elsewhere in the Bible is a racist and favours one nation over another... its untrue, but its what the churchies teach, and what the religions teach and what politicians teach..to start their wars and continue the killing.quote:God will punish all other nations for how they've treated Israel.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
For as He said directly and distinctly.. All nations are as nothing to me.... LOOK IT UP There are a number of places where the Old Testament specifically calls out Israelites or the descendant's of Abraham as God's chosen people. Apparently, you interpret those things in a different way than do others. Could you enlighten us as to your view? I'll quote examples that raise my eyebrows when I read your posts. Deuteronomy 14:2
quote: Deuteronomy 7:7-8
quote: Amos 3:2
quote: Those verses on their face say that the people of Israel are God's chosen people, something with both favor and consequences. Now the verses do suggest that God did not choose them based on any particular genetic superiority. But that just raises the point that evolution is not particularly required in order to generate situations that separate one people for another. But in the main, verses such as the ones above make me wonder why you pretend that nothing in the Bible calls out folks as God's chosen one. Even if you are to argue that such things no longer matter after Jesus Christ and Paul, surely they did matter before that. Edited by NoNukes, : tags and grammar Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
God is not a racist nor nationalistic.. For as He said directly and distinctly.. All nations are as nothing to me.... LOOK IT UP And as He said..ALL nations shall accept the Mark of the Beast, and become one in the End...all as in ALL. But go ahead and promote the evolutionary idea and atheistic idea that God in Isaiah and elsewhere in the Bible is a racist and favours one nation over another... its untrue, but its what the churchies teach, and what the religions teach and what politicians teach..to start their wars and continue the killing So the Bible's wrong, then?
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2328 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Your excuses do not excuse you.
The Lord deals with individuals individually, as for nations, all nations they come for His Purposes and fulfill His PURPOSES, as time heads toward the end, and His NEW BEGINNING. SEE 7KingdomsofMan Why because group faith is nationalism is racism is bogus, as the Lord only deals with individual hearts and minds. Your choice. Isaiah 53 does not mention the worldly nation of Israel, its about the Messiah, and although having many layers...... is not about a worldly country or a worldly special group of people, who are favored and sacrosanct. All people are treated according to their hearts and minds and choices and actions in this life. All fairly, all equally. And the heathen got upset again, and brought forth more complains about the Lord, their Creator. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2328 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Cats eye, dont you know, the cat is out of the bag, you have called yourself a Christian, and then post such unChristian comments..
So the Bible's wrong, then?
. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Christians, the honest Christians, understand that the Bible is often wrong, contradictory and containing fiction.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2328 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Wow, you are a mutated Christian...... for with you a true Christian doesnt believe in the Lords words....
Christians, the honest Christians, understand that the Bible is often wrong, contradictory and containing fiction.
No wonder you became an evolutionist and are limited to one sentence attacks against Creation and against the Lord and against the Bible. Thanks for revealing yourself. Yikes, there truly are some mutated ones HERE, self mutilated, or self mutated...... The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2328 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
NoNUKES .......Yes they were chosen to show that the Lord doesnt have favorites..... as they rebelled from the start, and caused Moses no end of problems. Only the believers and honest and faithful ones went on with the Lords annointed..... again showing that individuals not groups are chosen. Have you forgotten your true History of the Exodus...
But NONukes, if you choose a race or a religion or believe Israel is favored and special and sacrosanct and superior to all others, so be it, you will have chosen racism. I repeat, God is not a racist, and treats all the same, equal in love and judgment. As a Christian, No Nukes you should have known this from your own personal experience, rather than defending elitism and racism and evolution. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2328 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Ringo you are blatantly against the Bible and the Lord, and yet pick out bible verses to supposedly support racism and elitism and the the supposed superior branch called Zionism
It's what the Bible teaches: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel 3:1-2 "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God will punish all other nations for how they've treated Israel.
Joel and all the other prophets teach and show prophetically how the new NATION of individuals who have individually chosen the Lord and His love as their Saviour and Deliverer, will go through the Last Days and fight against the whole world of nations.. See and study New Nation of the Lord Because many Christians get involved in worldly politics and worldly churches who bless and sanctify whatever theirworldly nation does. Allow me to post just some of the verses about the New Nation that the Lord promised He would bless and protect, because it is a spiritual NATION that has not yet been gathered. SEE Last Gathering. Because the Lord won't be gathering rebellious people unto Himself but those that love Him and others. And those that believe in Him as their Messiah Isa 65:2-3 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good,after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; (Yes the Lord has been reaching out to the Jewish Nation, that as a nation has rejected HIm) Deut 32: 28-29 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them. O that they were wise,that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end! (For All nations will come to nothing without the Prince of Peace) Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock (The Rock of Salvation) Deut 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities:and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. (For as Moses was told, the Lord's would move the jewish nation and all nations into jealousy with the foolish nation, yet to be gathered. Why are we foolish in their eyes, because we have no country and no power except the Lord We trust only in Him and Not in military might) 1Cr 1:27-29 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weakthings of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. (Yes the Lord shall select us if we are humbly following Him, and won;t choose some so-called powerful worldly nation that depends on the arm of the flesh. or supposed promises of their invincibility) 1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy NATION a peculiar people; that ye should shewforth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (Yes, we Christians are called a NATION, and a Holy nation at that because He is our Righteousness. ) 1Peter 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but nowhave obtained mercy (Exactly, because we are not yet a people and not yet united and not yet gathered as His Bride .. but we will) Isaiah 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye thatmourn for her: I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a NATION that was not called by my name. (Can you see it, the Lord chooses those that weren't looking for Him, those that were just looking for truth, or for love, and what do they find but the Lord of truth and love. They didn't want religion, but they got the LORD of life. They didn't want false spirituality and the church system, and so the Lord finds his lost sheep and gathers them from all walks of life.) Isaiah 66: 5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for myname's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.(Yes, as even the church members will cast us out and 'Call us Devils' and even kill us as Jesus said in John 16) Isa 66:6-7 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to hisenemies Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. (Who is this man child ?) Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? orshall a NATION be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. (Yes we shall be born in a day, in the day of tribulation, at the start of the worst period in human history, we shall come together and become a NATION. SEE Daniel Timeline) Isa 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut thewomb? saith thy God. (NO, all our trials and tribulations and being forsaken, all our birth pains will be forth it when we are delivered, and find His Sheep Fold, even BEFORE His 2nd Coming) Revelation 12: 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feedher there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (For at that time, at the start of the tribulation we will be gathered together from all over the world and will flee together as in the First Exodus, which was just a foreshadowing of our greater 2nd Exodus ) Isaiah 65:5 I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. (So who is this David that theLord will make a covenant with ------. a David of a wordly country like America or Israel.? No the End-Time King David, that will be one of our Two witnesses of the Tribulation. ) Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. (For there it is onceagain, Our King and Our Priest in the End Time shall lead us, and be our witnesses. CONTINUE to PART 2 From NewNationoftheLord Worldly Israel is not Israel in the bible, worldly Israel is hardly aligned to the Lord and is definitely not superior to any other nation or people. Thats racism. The New Nation as described in the minor and major prophets is put together before the Last Days to survive the Last Days and to follow the Lord til then end. Should I post PART 2 as well ?. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2105 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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