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Davidjay 
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Message 196 of 404 (807008)
04-30-2017 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by Chiroptera
04-29-2017 1:27 PM


Re: Show your earlier branches
Chir, you cant have a branch in mid air..... primates in evolutionary theory had to come from some other branch and according to Evolutionary Theory were NOT created POOF in mid air without coming from or branching out from an earlier branch or species.
Your drawing is disingenuous, and deceptive.
Show some fish or birds, or something before your primate branch. Show a whole tree. Dont be ashamed.
What mutated into primates, what was the older ancestor of your primates ?
The drawing as you now must admit is and was disingenuous. Its not the fault of the artist, who evolutionists pay for their articstic imagination abilities but the fault of evolutionist, who cant show the extent of their flawed theory.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Davidjay 
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Message 197 of 404 (807011)
04-30-2017 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by Coyote
04-29-2017 10:36 PM


Re: Branching does not show racism
So tell us, where did primates come from, what species did they branch out from ?
Because when you use the word branch or have your stick grawing of branches, you will be denying what all the evolutionists before you said. They admamantly stated that evolution is not a branching out.
So do answer, and either show and tell what branch us primates came from, or deny that any branching ever occured.
The problem is yours, the deception is yours either way. But do answer rather than accusing me of not understanding.
If you understand your branching and your graphics, where did primates branch out from ?
Answer !

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 198 of 404 (807018)
04-30-2017 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 10:22 AM


Re: Branching does not show racism
So tell us, where did primates come from, what species did they branch out from ?
See the chart:
Because when you use the word branch or have your stick grawing of branches, you will be denying what all the evolutionists before you said. They admamantly stated that evolution is not a branching out.
Bullshit. They denied your brain-dead notion that branching must involve racism. You have claimed this over and over, but never supported it with evidence. Several posters have supplied evidence showing you are wrong. And as usual, you have ignored that evidence.

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Chiroptera
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Message 199 of 404 (807020)
04-30-2017 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 10:18 AM


Re: Show your earlier branches
Show some fish or birds, or something before your primate branch. Show a whole tree. Dont be ashamed.
I don't know what you think I'd be ashamed of, but I'm not really all that interested at this moment demonstrating the evidence that supports evolution. Other people are doing a fine job.
Right now I'm more interested in whether the theory of evolution is racist, a claim that you have been repeating without being able to prove it.

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JonF
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Message 200 of 404 (807024)
04-30-2017 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 10:18 AM


Re: Show your earlier branches
Show a whole tree. Dont be ashamed.
No problem. It's far too large to fit here, but see Welcome to the OneZoom tree of life explorer

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Chiroptera
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Message 201 of 404 (807028)
04-30-2017 12:19 PM


What about branching?
I should point out that the "branching of the tree of life" is a discovery that predates Darwin. I'm not sure when and where it was first discovered, but it formed the basis of Linnaeus' work, long before Darwin. In fact, the nested hierarchy as developed by Linnaeus is a key evidence for common descent (and to me, the most compelling).
Darwin's theory of evolution explains why the branching that was already observed occurred. It explained that because naturally occurring variations were more or less random, natural selection would cause isolated populations of a species to adapt in different ways to their local environments. As time goes on, this would lead to different species. After a longer time, different genera would result, then different families, and so forth.
The theory of evolution does not say that humans should have branched. The theory of evolution says that if different human populations become isolated from each other for a very, very long time, then small differences would have added up to produce different species. Since currently living humans have never been isolated long enough, the theory of evolution does not at all claim that humans should have branched into different races.
As long as humans form a single population, interbreeding will maintain humans as a single species. Only if different populations become isolated for a very, very long time will evolution cause the different populations to differentiate.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.

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Porosity
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Message 202 of 404 (807035)
04-30-2017 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 10:22 AM


Re: Branching does not show racism
The problem is yours, the deception is yours either way. But do answer rather than accusing me of not understanding.
I was confused (for a minute) about how any good Christian could support a buffoon like Trump. Now I see, you employ the same dishonest tactics of bait and switch, accusing others of the very thing you are doing.
Lies have short legs, eventually it's going to catch up with you... Sad.

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Davidjay 
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Message 203 of 404 (807037)
04-30-2017 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Porosity
04-30-2017 1:47 PM


Re: Branching does show racism
Churchies support politics and deceptions, I am Christian, Jesus never supported politics or any deception.... and always opposed racism.
Lets count the number of times just from my memory alone where Jesus rebuked racism
1. Ate with publicans and sinners, meaning whores and prostitutes
2. First revealed his MESSIAHSHIP to a Samaritan, who was hated by their neighbors the Jews.... the woman at the well who had five previous husbands...
3. The Good Samartitan parable was about a good Samartitan that didn't care about the race or nationality of the beaten traveller and took care of him.
4. Jesus selected a damnable tax collector as one of his apostles.... and the others hated such a selection.
5. Jesus allowed Mary Magdalene to kiss him often, and chided the apostles and disciples from NOT doing it as well. She thought she was the worse, Jesus said she was the best because of her humility and love.
6. He chided the supposed chosen people when saying which of the prophets have not your (Jewish) forefathers killed.
7..... etc etc etc etc etc.....
Now back to evolutionism and its racist doctrine, that promotes war and hatred instead of equality and love as Jesus taught and lived.
(And the evolutionists again started grinding their teeth, and tried to devise away to counter the truths of Jesus.)
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Davidjay 
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Message 204 of 404 (807040)
04-30-2017 2:05 PM


I repeat, what branch did the primates come from ?
Notice how no evolutionist has stepped forward and stated where primates came from ? Are they embarassed of course. Do they know ? Of course not .
They say evolution is a branching but hasn't branched in a while, so they know not what the ancestry primates came from....
Come on evolutionists have some guts or intestines, or in spiritual terms, have some courage and dont be so afraid of your own doctrine.
Stand up for your faith and say where primates came from ..
Fish, birds, dinosaurs ?
Show your tree.
Jesus created the Creationist Tree of Life individually and separately and yet cohesively using the same templates of life.
So show us your tree, and tell us via a magnifying glass, who came before the primates all the way back to your BIG BANG Creation MYTH.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Coyote
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Message 205 of 404 (807045)
04-30-2017 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 2:05 PM


Re: I repeat, what branch did the primates come from ?
Show your tree.
How many times must we post the trees before you deign to notice?
Or are you ducking, dodging and weaving in this thread also?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 206 of 404 (807054)
04-30-2017 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 1:57 PM


Re: Branching does show racism
Davidjay writes:
Lets count the number of times just from my memory alone where Jesus rebuked racism
1. Ate with publicans and sinners, meaning whores and prostitutes
4. Jesus selected a damnable tax collector as one of his apostles.... and the others hated such a selection.
5. Jesus allowed Mary Magdalene to kiss him often, and chided the apostles and disciples from NOT doing it as well. She thought she was the worse, Jesus said she was the best because of her humility and love.
What do any of those have to do with racism?
By the way, publicans and sinners doesn't mean whores and prostitutes. It means bartenders and everybody else.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

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Chiroptera
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Message 207 of 404 (807060)
04-30-2017 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 2:05 PM


Re: I repeat, what branch did the primates come from ?
Jesus created the Creationist Tree of Life individually and separately...
Sounds racist to me.
...and yet cohesively using the same templates of life.
Funny. "The same templates of life" is what evolution does. Are you racist?

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Porosity
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Message 208 of 404 (807065)
04-30-2017 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 1:57 PM


Re: Branching does show racism
Now back to evolutionism and its racist doctrine, that promotes war and hatred instead of equality and love as Jesus taught and lived.
(And the evolutionists again started grinding their teeth, and tried to devise away to counter the truths of Jesus.)
LOL. So.. you come back and prove my point with bait and switch. Evolution is a word that describes processes we observe in nature. It is religion and it's politics that creates divisiveness, tribalism, racism, hatred, fear and war upon our world.
And since when do Christian's follow the words of Jesus? It would be great but very few actually do.

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Chiroptera
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Message 209 of 404 (807067)
04-30-2017 6:11 PM
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04-30-2017 2:05 PM


Re: I repeat, what branch did the primates come from ?
Just to answer your question (just cuz I think phylogeny is fascinating):
Stand up for your faith and say where primates came from ..
Fish, birds, dinosaurs ?
According to Palaeos, Primates as a branch separated from the branch consisting of tree shrews and flying lemurs. The larger branch consisting of these two branches is called Archonta.
However, Archonta is a clade that includes bats (ahem!) assuming that bats are that closely related to primates. Recent analysis suggests that bats may not be as closely related as was thought. A clade called Euarchonta has been proposed to take this into account.
Unfortunately, my sources may be all out of date.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Autocorrect never catches the ones it's supposed to!

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Davidjay 
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Message 210 of 404 (807077)
04-30-2017 7:06 PM
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04-30-2017 6:11 PM


I repeat, what branch did the primates come from ? Bats ?
OK Chir says that his authority or quesser, says that we came from bats.
Wierd wonderful bats that hang upside down and look ugly as sin. And accordingly from evolutionary theory we mutated from them. Bats are our ancestors, and predessors. We finally got turned right side up, started to look beautiful, got out of caves and dens.
Thanks Chir, for trying to answer the question, even though it is extremely embarassing for you.
So do all you other evolutionists agree with the so called truth that we, humans came from bats.
Yes check under your arms for vestige wings, before answering.
But as mentioned I must give you the right to make up any theory you choose, not matter how silly and embarassing it sounds and IS.
It was bad enough imaging apes and chimps as our ancestors, but now you say the more original branch was a bat, or bats.
Me thinks, you evolutionists have been hanging upside down tooooo looong.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.
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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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