The TRVE history of the Flood...

Faith posted a one land mass artists representation above, so lets discuss it EVEN though continental drift or land splitting or land dividing into the continents is AFTER the Worldwide FLOOD.It happened 130 years later in the days of Peleg as stated exactly by the True Geological Record Book.Lets beginEarth Divided in the Days of Peleg
(Continental Drift)After the Worldwide Flood of Noah, the Earth was divided...Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and
his brother's name was Joktan. 1Chronicles 1:19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg;
because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.O.K. therefore we can from the addition of literal years as specified in Genesis, figure out when this time frame was in
the geological record of the Earth. And because the Bible and Genesis have been proven to be exact from the findings of
modern science,archeology, and geology, then we can surely trust in these passages as well. This giving us, a timeline
from the Creation to the Flood of approximately 2348 years.....and afterwards to the birth of Peleg of 129 years. (SEE
Timeline to the Flood and After)Aha .... so if Peleg was born 129 years after the Flood, and he was around in the same time as Nimrod who helped
build the Tower of Babel, then we may have a probable cause and connection as to why the Lord of the whole Earth,
divided mankind even further apart with the separation of land masses.So what was the Tower of Babel all about. Well, its ruins remain today as a reminder of the foolishness of man to
reach unto the heavens or 'become gods' and yet that is exactly what they thought they were illustrating by their
construction of their Tower.Gen 11:4
And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower,
whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us
a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of
the whole earth. And the LORD came down to see the
city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and
they have all one language; and this they begin to do:
and now nothing will be restrained from them, which
they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their
language, that they may not understand one another's
speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon
the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Therefore is the name of it called BabelNotice any similarities today, as man still hasn't learned his lesson, even though reuniting under a new one world
language through translations on line. Why, because man in his arrogance when united, is dangerous and so way back
then, the Lord divided their languages so that they could no longer communicate to each other, and therefore had to leave
off building their proud work of the flesh. So the Lord brought them back down to Earth, and divided them into
linguistic groups and separated them into the four corners of the earth .... and then it seems at the very same time era
divided the Earth into new continents, so as to further keep them apart.The Lord commanded the animals and people after the Flood, to breed abundantly and they obviously did as well as
redistributing themselves over the face of the remaining dry land. But after this redistribution, expansion and biological
explosion, then came the Tower of babel and the language separation.So maybe at the same time, there was a shifting of the geological plates, some raising and lowering as the waters
receeded downwards. And so surely after these great land mass had drained and dried out, there could have been a
dividing of the Earth. It can't be absolutely be proven, but the very real possibility remains.For is this not what 'Continental Drift' is all about? The continents were together surely at one time according to their
shapes that fit together perfectly, so why could NOT have the Lord divided them into what we see today. It didn't take
millions and billions of years of them inching themselves apart which is evolutionary madness , but by the Lord of the
whole Earth quickly floating them into new positions on the liquid below through the Lord's absolute POWER.For together the Worldwide Flood and the Earth's division can solve the some of the mysteries of geography and
biology f even though we don't know all the details.Therefore in my opinion, the 'Earth was Divided in the Days of Peleg'IHGS (In His Geological Service)David Jay Jordan(from EarthDividedindaysofPeleg

The Cratonic Sequence theory is one of those 'big ideas' in geology that has huge explanatory power but doesn't fill in a lot of the details.For instance, there really is no 'center' of a real continent. This would be an idealized 'continent' where the center is also the highest point going down to the sea in all directions. We know this isn't true.However, the chart clearly leaves out the highest parts of the continents where there are mountains such as on the west side of the Cretaceous Seaway. In other words the chart does not show 100% of the planet's surface. We can see the same thing for the ocean basins which are substantial and always under water; but the chart shows them shrinking down to almost nothing. The chart is diagrammatic,Nontheless, the chart is very powerful in pulling together some diverse observations such as the Cretaceous Seaway in the North America and the chalk deposits of Europe essentially occurring at the same time during the Zuni transgression. It also explains the first major transgression, the Sauk Sequence which laid down the basal sandstone that we see in so many parts of the world.You will also notice the irregular detail in the dividing line between land and sea on the chart. The base of the Absarokan transgression has a large number of 'thin' secondary transgressions. These are the ones that are well documented in the 'cyclothems' that we find in the Appalachian coal fields. I think these are also found in some other parts of the world at the same time. Most of the line locations are not as precise as this. It all has to do with the availability of data.

I note you still haven't addressed the evidence I presented showing there was no flood about 4350 years ago.Until you can counter that evidence your numerology, bible quotes and claims are futile.ABE: Here it is again:

--From my own archaeological research I have documented Native American cultures which existed and flourished from before to after the "exact" date you concocted for the global flood. If there was such a flood it should have wiped those cultures out. (Along with cultures in Egypt and a lot of other parts of the world.)

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--From my own archaeological research I have documented Native American mtDNA of a particular haplotype persisting from before to after the "exact" date you concocted for the global flood. If there was such a flood it should have wiped that haplotype out, replacing it sometime later with a Middle Eastern haplotype. (Other researchers have found the same evidence throughout the world.)

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These two lines of evidence from my own research, not to mention thousands of similar findings from around the world, disprove the global flood at the "exact" date you concocted.

Edited by Coyote, : Added evidence from a previous post

Actually, Rodinia broke up before the Phanerozoic.

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"Rodinia (from the Russian "Родина", rdina, meaning "The Motherland")[2] is a Neoproterozoic supercontinent that was assembled 1.13—1.071 billion years ago and broke up 750—600 million years ago." Rodinia - Wikipedia

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For most of the Paleozoic, there was no supercontinent.For a a short time period after Rodinia there was a supercontinent called Pannotia.

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"When Pannotia had formed Africa was located at the centre surrounded by the rest of Gondwana: South America, Arabia, Madagascar, India, Antarctica, and Australia. Laurentia, who 'escaped' out of Rodinia, Baltica, and Siberia kept the relative positions they had in Rodinia." Pannotia - Wikipedia

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"The break-up of Pannotia was accompanied by sea level rise, dramatic changes in climate and ocean water chemistry, and rapid metazoan diversification."

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You will note that this 'sea level rise' coincides with the start of the Sauk Sequence in North America. It also coincides with the 'Cambrian Explosion'.I would submit that some of the Cratonic Sequence theory explains this part of the history of Africa. Hence, another example of the explanatory powers of the Cratonic Sequence chart that you presented. (And there is even more that we could discuss in that chart).We also see a disconnect of the southern continental masses from the northern in the reconstruction of Pannotia. So ... perhaps they do not match the exact history of the northern continents.The whole gist of your argument seems to be that we do not have complete knowledge of the world geology and that we cannot explain 'everything', therefor your precious doubts regarding mainstream geology can be maintained.It is regrettable that we cannot know everything, but we do know some things and it is our job to explain those things.

Hi Vimesey,
My remarks on the timing of continental drift were just incidental because CRR has a different view than I do. Without better reason than I now have to change it, I have to stick to the Bible's timing. All I was saying was that the biblical timing as I understand it requires the tectonic speed I came up with, but if I ever have a good reason to change my understanding of the timing then that estimate will also change. As I also said, however, I'm looking to the possibility of unknown mitigating factors. I'm not defending it right now; it's on hold.I did indulge in an attempt at defending it on another thread a couple years ago. HBD was telling me I have to abandon the whole tectonic argument for the reasons being given here and I attempted to find a way to justify it, no doubt inadequately, which I'm sure you could prove only too well. I don't want to pursue it on this thread but maybe could get into it on a new thread some time.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I hate to say it, but even Faith's quirky geological history makes more sense than this.There's nothing here to discuss.

Somehow I missed Pannotia, reading Rodinia for the Paleozoic so now I have to rethink all of it.

Ahhh... good times, Faith... good times. But, I probably wouldn't get into another discussion about supersonic plate motion again if you want to rehash it all with someone else. Cheers.HBD

Not exactly. The Cratonic Sequences look to me like evidence for the Flood that has been broken up by incidental details that prevent the whole story from coming together. Not intentionally, just because that's how geologists think, so I keep trying to think through the geological information from a floodist perspective. I don't particularly expect to find errors, but in this case it seemed that I did. It's not essential to anything I'm thinking about unless it helps further the Flood interpretation (which it doesn't seem to in this case).So when the first thing people said was that the six transgressions on North America were isolated to that continent and not evidenced on any other continent THEN I had my doubts. How can that be so? A transgression of one has to occur to all. And at first I had the idea, and argued it through in that first post, that the water had to keep rising because the land had to keep rising with each transgression's sedimentary deposition, which would of course bring the water eventually up to about the level of the Flood; raising the question how the mechanics of this series of incremental rises could be mechanically justified but the Flood couldn't.Then the argument was made that the water didn't have to rise if the land was subsiding. That got me into all the cogitations about whether the subsidence could prevent the water from rising at all. I concluded that at the very least the first deposition, the Tonto Group,laid down by the Sauk Sea, which required at least 1250 feet of water, should certainly be high enough to flood the other continents. But nobody commented on this point. I also suggested the level was probably higher in reality, the first two or even three transgressions having to rise to cover the former level, on the idea that subsidence might not have occurred before that. All speculation of course, but the focus remained on the depth of the water involved and how at any level it should have affected all the continents, including the first level, the Sauk Sea that formed the Tonto Group's 1250 feet thickness.Then I remembered the shifting around of the Supercontinents and realized that the closeness/continuity of the land masses in Pangaea (and Rodinia as I thought at the time) certainly implies that any flooding/(shallow) transgression of North America/Laurentia would mean flooding of the others.I don't yet have a picture of how Pannotia fits into all this, but your saying that its break-up "was accompanied by sea level rise" which "coincides with the start of the Sauk Sequence in North America [and also with] the 'Cambrian Explosion'" at least agrees with my conclusion that the Sauk transgression should have covered all the continents.My "doubts" are along the lines of supposing that Geology is likely to come up with evidence for the Flood without recognizing it, rather than any expectation of outright error. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The only way, non mathematical evolutionists and wierd geologists can get a separation of continents, is via the 'inch by inch' theory so that with a separation of lets say one thousand miles1,000x5280x12=63,360,000 yearsThis fitting in nicely with their 'nothing ever catastrophic ever happened' its all inch by inch.....Evolutionists deny anything catastrophic, as seen by Darwin and Veikosky and all other observers of the Flood and catastrophic land movements and the effects of the worldwide flood.So there we be, a wide gap of opinion or FACT. All catastrophic or ALL inch by inch.Mind you, evolutionists have a great vested interest in believing inch by inch because they want no other force beyond their minute horsepower intervening into their philosphy or religion or Earth.The Earth was split in the days of Peleg as mentioned by the Great Geological Book, ..Genesis

Seeing we are not allowed to talk about the Continental Splitting in the Days of Peleg in a separate topic, allow me as directed to post its truths HERE.GizaCenterofContinentsGiza is center of One Land MassThe Lord created the heavens and the earth, for He not evolution was the Creator. And it seems Jesus created not the
many separated continents that we see now, but had just one land mass surrounded by water in the Beginning. With only
one continent centered at the Giza co-ordinates, of latitude and longitude, it made the Garden of Eden, East of Giza. (SEE
Location of Eden) SEE also Christos Angle and Petra and Athens.For Here at Giza, the Lord had placed his sockets, His foundation, his granite plateau as the only place on
earth, that would support His Prophecy in Stone, the Great Pyramid. Was this by accident, NO, it was by Design, for it
was meant to last and be a witness to ALL in the Last days Why, because the Great Pyramid was built by the Lord,
using the Lord’s power in His Earth (SEE Levitation by Alignment and Laying on of Hands) and (Enoch built the
Pyramid)And His Prophecy was to show the End Time World that He was COMING again, but this time in POWER. For via a
direct co-relation between the exact linear measurement down and then up the pyramid passageways, it shows major
world events until His Culmination of ALL HISTORY with His 2nd Coming (SEE Great Pyramid Prophecy)For the Great Pyramid was built 100 Years before the Great Flood, of 2348 B.C. (SEE Timeline to Flood) ...and was
able to endure through the Flood and remain on its foundation AFTER the Flood as the center of the whole land mass of
the Earth. Right ? Right !!! And from the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japeth, their lineage traveled overland until the
days of Peleg . . 129 years later. SEE Continental Drift and PelegFor then because of the pride of Man in trying to reach the heavens with his own man made constructions like the
Tower of Babel, (Nimrod) the Lord split up the languages of the earth, as well as splitting up the great one continent of
the Earth. Hence continental drift happened quickly in the Days of Peleg, a descendant of Noah.This is why the continents can now be seen to have fit together as ONE at one time, because literally they were all ONE
in the Beginning. And where was their central point or ”Center of MASS’ of all the land MASS, right where it still
remains today, Right at the Great Pyramid location. For do the research today, The Great Pyramid sits in the center of
the world’s land masses, and sits right on the greatest land mass latitude lengths and longitude lengths of anywhere on
Earth. Why, simple, its because from this central center of mass, the Lord drifted the land masses away from His central
point, keeping the Earth is balance and harmony.This is why the Lord chided Job, when Job thought Heknew so much . .Job 38 : 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I
will demand of thee, and answer thou me.4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the
earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
(Foundations of the earth at Giza)5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou
knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? (SEE
The Lord made the distances and Architecture of the
Universe)6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or
who laid the corner stone thereof (The four
cornerstones or sockets at Giza on the granite
plateau)7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the
sons of God shouted for joy?8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake
forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? ( A direct
reference to the doors that opened up from below, that
created the worldwide flood in the days of Noah Genesis 7 : 11).For there is no doubt that the land MASS of the Earth was one continent in the Beginning, and the Great Pyramid’s
center of the world’s land masses today is a further witness of this fact.David Jay JordanPS) And for further proof and a direct connection as to End Time Calamites, consider the fact that the Ring OF FIRE,
which will be exploding in the End Time is exactly on the other side of the Earth from Giza, the center of the Land Mass
of the Earth. This easily explaining the volatility and shallow crusts around the Pacific Ring of Fire, if you consider that
the land masses and plates expanded outward from this central point in Egypt.
(End of article)So again you must study the signifcance of Giza, the Lords prophetic Marker and cornerstone to be able to comprehend more and more truths, step by step til the GREAT STEP, ascending ascending rather than evolutionary descent into the abysss

Nope.However we do deny catastrophic plate tectonics because we don't see the obvious and inescapable side effects; the surface of the Earth molten and all life destroyed (except perhaps for some thermphilic bacteria). Units matter. 1000 miles x 5280 feet/mile x 12 inches/foot = 6,360 inches. Which proves you can convert 1,00 miles to inches, and nothing more. Congratulations!Nobody has claimed any plate is moving an inch per year. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

No worries. I knew where you were headed with this.The details, however, will obliterate your conclusions as usual.You see, for each of these transgressions, there is always erosion in progress to provide sediment for the sedimentary sequences. As I have said before, the Cratonic Sequence idea does not consider either mountains and erosion, nor ocean basins and deep-sea sedimentation. They only apply to non-tectonic areas (at the time) out to the continental shelves.In fact, these sequences are completely based on the presence of unconformity-bounded sedimentary packages identified in North America. As I remember, you doubt the presence of unconformities in the geological record.

We know as a scientific fact that the entire planet has not been flooded since humans have existed.Any "possibility" that you come up with that contradicts that must be wrong.

So, basically, your argument is "Goddidit".That's nice.