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Davidjay 
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Message 451 of 1352 (806165)
04-23-2017 11:42 AM


Continental Separation after Flood Confirmed
Bacause no one could respond to the delusion of Continental Drift inch by inch versus continental separation after the Floof, we shall deem it confirmed and a principle to be noted and hyperlinked to as a POST FLOOD geological truth.
That should get your layers grinding ....
SEE
EarthDividedindaysofPeleg
In His Geological Service
David
Or we could start a separate topic on the subject of tetonic plate movement Past Present and Future
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Coyote
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Message 452 of 1352 (806170)
04-23-2017 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 451 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Continental Separation after Imagined Flood Not Confirmed
Since you're preaching in unsupported links, here's one back at you:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/...again-taken-for-granite

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Message 453 of 1352 (806171)
04-23-2017 11:58 AM
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04-05-2017 7:07 PM


Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer | National Center for Science Education
Pseudoscience differs from science in several fundamental ways but most notably in its attitude toward hypothesis testing. In science, hypotheses are ideas proposed to explain the facts, and they're not considered much good unless they can survive rigorous tests. In pseudoscience, hypotheses are erected as defenses against the facts. Pseudoscientists frequently offer hypotheses flatly contradicted by well-known facts which can be ignored only by well-trained minds. Therefore, to demonstrate that creationists are pseudoscientists, one need only carry some creationist hypotheses about Noah's flood to their logical conclusions. The following six arguments will do just that, giving a sampling of the major difficulties in creationist "flood geology."
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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 454 of 1352 (806173)
04-23-2017 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Continental Separation after Flood Confirmed
The fact that people ignore your delusions doesn't actually confirm them. Obviously you're talking shit, obviously we all know it, and obviously people are beginning to think that you're too obdurately stupid to be worth talking to.
If you want a response to each of your posts, let me help you with that. Print this out.
Hang it over your desk, and every time you dribble out some of your fatuous nonsense, look up and read it.

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Davidjay 
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Message 455 of 1352 (806174)
04-23-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 453 by Coyote
04-23-2017 11:58 AM


Re: Continental Separation Confirmed Unopposed
Compose your own words, rather than relying on others lack of answers
A hyperlink fight is not a debate.
Know the subject matter yourself Coyote before posting..... for its only then you can explain it.
Study darn ya, study.
Quite relying on others....
Continental Drift is the subject, it is CONFIRMED unless someone can state other wise...STAY ON TOPIC
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Coyote
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Message 456 of 1352 (806176)
04-23-2017 12:06 PM
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04-23-2017 12:03 PM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
A hyperlink fight is not a debate.
My link was a response to your links in Message 451.
Or did you forget that you are the one "fighting with hyperlinks."

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 457 of 1352 (806177)
04-23-2017 12:08 PM
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04-23-2017 12:03 PM


Get a grip!
Continental Drift is the subject
The title of the thread is "The TRVE history of the Flood..." I started the thread.
It is not up to you to change it when convenient.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 458 of 1352 (806179)
04-23-2017 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 455 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 12:03 PM


Debate this then...
A hyperlink fight is not a debate.
What if God Threw a Flood and No One Came?
What if God Threw a Flood and No One Came? | Cognitive Discopants
The folks over at Answers in Genesis recently tackled the question, When exactly was the Flood?. After consulting his Bible and with a little help from Bishop James Ussher, David Wright of AiG provides the answer:
Using the Bible, well-documented historical events, and some math, we find that the Flood began approximately 4,359 years ago in the year 1656 AM [anno mundi] or 2348 BC.
So there you have it. Only 8 people left alive on the planet in 2348 BC.
That got me thinking. What other well-documented historical events might have been going on in the 24th century BC? Let’s take a look
Mesopotamia
It must have come as a real shock to Noah and his children when, in 2334 BC — only 14 years after the flood — Sargon the Great began establishing the powerful Akkadian empire. This task involved defeating in battle a variety of Sumerian city states, some of which had populations in excess of 100,000 inhabitants (e.g. Lagash and Uruk). By the end of his reign (2279 BC), Sargon’s vast empire stretched from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf — basically the entire Fertile Crescent.
Such an empire only 69 years after the Flood is a feat indeed. But the real credit has to go to the four women on Noah’s ark. Barefoot and pregnant doesn’t begin to describe the work involved in repopulating the planet at the pace necessary to give Sargon armies to fight and people to rule.
Egypt
Down in Egypt, the United Kingdom established by Menes circa. 3000 BC was humming along nicely. By the time of Noah’s flood, the Egyptians were just wrapping up their 5th dynasty. Pharaoh Unas was, no doubt, quite perturbed to see his empire underwater, especially since he was in the middle of building a pyramid complex at Saqqara, which you can visit to this day.
Undeterred, the now soggy Egyptians moved seamlessly into the 6th dynasty with Pharaoh Teti at the helm. Teti built himself a nice pyramid complex too. Given that Teti came to power only 3 years after the global population was reduced to 8, you might have thought cheap labor for pyramid building would be hard to come by. Nonetheless, even Teti’s high court officials were building themselves massive funerary monuments during his reign.
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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 459 of 1352 (806199)
04-23-2017 5:28 PM
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04-23-2017 12:02 PM


Re: Continental Separation after Flood Confirmed
When losing a debate shout louder.

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Message 460 of 1352 (806202)
04-23-2017 6:04 PM
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04-23-2017 11:58 AM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
An interesting article, Coyote. Out of those six, which do you think is the best, the strongest, the most unanswerable?

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Message 461 of 1352 (806203)
04-23-2017 6:05 PM
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04-23-2017 1:08 PM


Re: Debate this then...
What if God Threw a Flood and No One Came?
He did; and only 8 people came.

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Message 462 of 1352 (806207)
04-23-2017 6:54 PM
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04-23-2017 6:04 PM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
An interesting article, Coyote. Out of those six, which do you think is the best, the strongest, the most unanswerable?
I'm not geologist, so one of them will have to answer this specific question.
But as an archaeologist the evidence is clear--there was no global flood around 4350 years ago. My own research shows that in a couple of ways: continuity of Native American residential sites before and after the given date, and continuity of Native American mtDNA before and after the given date.
This same thing, along with a lot of additional evidence, has been noted by archaeologists all over the world.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 463 of 1352 (806209)
04-23-2017 7:03 PM
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04-23-2017 5:28 PM


Re: Continental Separation after Flood Confirmed
When losing a debate shout louder.
When I lose a debate I concede gracefully; but we are evidently two very different people.

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Message 464 of 1352 (806210)
04-23-2017 7:05 PM
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Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Out of those six, which do you think is the best, the strongest, the most unanswerable?
Well, see if you can answer the one about the Great Creationist Fossil Failure.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 465 of 1352 (806211)
04-23-2017 8:03 PM
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04-23-2017 4:08 AM


Re: Berthault's experiments are modeling stream flow deposits
I was about to post that same image myself. The ultimate point for me, of course, is that moving water lays down strata at whatever rate it is moving.
Actually, moving water creates laminations not strata.
You do understand the difference between the Walther's Law diagram and the cross-bedded sediments of Berthault, do you not?
So I'd see the flume experiments applying to rising sea water too since layers are being deposited with its movement.
The flume experiments have nothing to do with rising water. In fact, I'd say that the water stayed at the same level for the entire experiment.
It could be that the sea water doesn't deposit the layers simultaneously as we see in the flume (but I'm not sure).
Once again, you have some problems to work out. what direction is that water moving and how do flume experiments relate to rising sea level?
But if the water is rising fast enough to cover the earth to some depth within five months then we are certainly talking about rapid deposition and not millions of years.
Not really.
We have been over this a number of times all ready. It is easily possible to have rapid sedimentation events ... millions of years ago. In fact, that is how geology has been taught, probably for a century at least. Rapid events are one of the first things that one learns in Geology 101.
The point about superposition is about timing: if the layers are being deposited pretty much simultaneously then the upper is not younger than the lower which is the usual understanding of the principle of superposition.
What do you mean by 'pretty much'? I cannot imagine a grain of sand settling into a position without another grain below it. AFAIK, a bed of cross-laminated sandstone is considered to be a single unit or stratum.
In any case, in either model, this is very rapid deposition and not slow formation of strata that mark long time periods.
Rapid deposition, as related above, is not a problem in an old age scenario. There have been millions of rapid deposition events in the history of the earth.

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