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Message 65 of 114 (805869)
04-21-2017 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by ringo
04-19-2017 3:20 PM


Re: Conifrmed...Laws were not by chance
Yes, evolution did not create the laws, that have been there since the BEGINNING of Creation as creationists have said over and over and over again.
The wierd theory of evolution is not a law, but a man made theory (or lets say religion) and it has no counterpart laws in any
other field of true science. Its luck and chance theory only applies to living things that were already created (via Creationism) and evolutionists can only talk about and within so called biological evolution within their pews. I mean hallowed halls of forced learning.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 67 of 114 (805910)
04-21-2017 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by ringo
04-21-2017 11:51 AM


Re: Conifrmed...Laws were not by chance
As mentioned, laws are compatible, they fit together, they have not evolved. evolution has no comment on the Laws of the Universe which were created in the BEGINNING as even the above evolutionists now admit.
I have proven my point. Laws are not evolving. Evolution created no laws.
Creationism makes sense and applies to the Laws of the Universe as seen from the BEGINNING. The Laws of the Universe have not changed. Evolution does not apply..... it remains in the realm of the unproven and untested and the unreliable. A mere MYTH a mere hoped for science, forced upon the weak as their new religion.
Read the TOPIC... Laws hapened by chance .. ANSWER NO.
Did laws evolve ? Answer NO .......

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 75 of 114 (806034)
04-22-2017 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by New Cat's Eye
04-21-2017 3:54 PM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
No Cats eye, you cant convince an evolutionist in an evolutionist discussion board enough to change their mind because their religion and whole life depends on luck and chance rather than a design and especially not a DESIGNER. Few of them ever, ever change, they are hardened and closed minded.
The usual only point of posting on such boards is for readers to read and see the fallacies of the evolutionists who have no answers, no proofs, no explanations, and the fallacies of their logic and rationale, and lack of any science to back them up.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 77 of 114 (806039)
04-22-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Tangle
04-22-2017 11:03 AM


Tangle, you are entangled again..
When you write..Prof Hawking reckons the universe was inevitable because of the law of gravity. Leaving the obvious question hanging.
quote:
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"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
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I'm not sure we're capable of understanding it, or even why we should be.
(end of your inevitable quote)
Prof Hawkings is a pure theorists and hardly to be honored except by evolutionists and dreamers, for as you notice, Hawking uses the semantic word twisting of ineveitable.
Inevitable suggest time, the direction of time, so that inevitably something should happen....if gicen enough shakes of the dice etc etc or enough luck and chance. Inevitable is word play, its demented evolution once again.
For if that logic of time is upheld by evolutionists and confirmed by Hawkings it means laws have evolved, and were not created at one time.
This is the logic of evolution a slow change in time that inevitably happens.
Therefore evolutionists are again confused...and their explanations even by their professors of their religion get mixed up and word twist time.
Some evolutionists here say that laws just existed, and were just observed, but now Hawkings states that these laws were inevitable..... as if they inevitably needed to exist to bring all things together.
Creationism wins again, evolution by profs make no sense again.
Come on evolutionists get your council of churches together and all of you speak the same thing, or at least close to one another.
Did laws evolve like Hawkings suggests inevitably' or did they just exist by creation by design.
Jesus the Creator and Great Scientists wins again, evolutionists lose again.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 82 of 114 (806153)
04-23-2017 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Theodoric
04-22-2017 9:30 PM


Re: Back to the topic !!
Do laws evolve evolutionists ? Yes or No, and explain !
Your previous answers all, seem to say, NO they were just HERE from the BEGINNING. Because as the vast majority of you state, evolution only deals with living things after they were alive.....
Hence evolutionists when outside of the field of biology have no aplications for their luck and chance theory thathey deem a LAW.
So come on evolutionists prove or at least one of you explain how laws evolved. One of you come up with the guts to say, laws have evolved. Be courageous and step out of the shadows and help out your struggling congregation, and state, laws evolved.
Because what you are stating HEREIN evolutionists is that laws did not evolve and were CREATED harmonious from the BEGINNING, exactly the same a s Creationists believe.
But you say it is by luck and chance, but we say its by design of the DESIGNER.
A lawgiver can give laws, is a rational logical statment, but laws being created by chance all at once is irrational, illogical and unscientific.
Creation wins, evolution loses again

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 84 of 114 (806167)
04-23-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Theodoric
04-23-2017 10:23 AM


Re: Back to the topic !!
Im Here, and the subject is, did laws evolve. Please answer and explain your theory.
I have, now you get educated and take any position you choose or that was taught you in worldly forced indocrination. Not a problem......
PST..evolutionists are so afraid of answering questions concerning their faith, and suggest people should just study their faith, even though in this case, they say their biological evolution has nothing to say about what already existed in the BEGINNING.
These evolutionists are strange... but they are very good at complaining about others who do not accept their faith.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 87 of 114 (806301)
04-24-2017 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Porosity
04-23-2017 3:33 PM


Re: Back to the topic !!
You evolutionists get a job because you are part of the worldly system, as you eliminate the competition by force and intimidation.
You are hired by corporations for profit sake and for nationalistic sake, as universities are not there to teach truths but to provide workers for corporations, and money for themelves.
So give unto Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar, so go pay your taxes to your god and the image of the coins you receive.
SEE and study Revelation 13 Economics thread.
BACK to the TOPIC
PST>>why cant evolutionists stick to the topic ? I know, they dont know the answer or answers or have any idea about the topic.
Creation **** again

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 90 of 114 (806305)
04-24-2017 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Tanypteryx
04-22-2017 12:29 PM


Yes, I am a science type and not ;iterary type, I prefered going into nature, and the great outdoors, or playing golf, basketball, or baseball rather than reading and being a GEEK.
Yup I am a pecker, as I hated having to pay someone to type upf my essays and thesises etc. etc.... and boy can I peck, just ask the girls.
Selah, FULL STOP...... after this climax
And as any true biologist knows, the FIRST LAW of Biology of the Creator, was be fruitful and multiply... this I learned even though it came naturally, and I reproduced or carried on his commandment to multiply. I learned to add and then multiply, with help from my helpmate, ..... co-creators like us all, from the original DESIGN.
Thats the LAW of the Universe, but it takes a mature audience to discuss, and so lets not discuss it HERE.
I win again, and have answered you and added to the discussion.
Evolutionists dont know the REPRODUCTION LAWS let alone the laws of the UNIVERSE. They know no design, and see nothing but luck and chance, which is why they are blind.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 94 of 114 (806489)
04-26-2017 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Stile
04-25-2017 9:38 AM


Re: Next.
Thank God, evolutionists dont know about biological reproduction and surely even sexual reproduction.... or maybe thats the only time they are real and down to Earth. At least, as I have told you over and over again, nothing you learned or didn;t learn is passed onto the genes of your kids. You have to intimidate them into your religion AFTER they are born, but still the choice is theirs.
Anyway, the 1st LAW of the Lord was be fruitful and MULTIPLY. Its not hard, its a pleasure to obey the Lord, unless you are bitter and arrogant and not thankful for what has been given us. Read Genesis 1, both naked, and both fully developed and hormonal, and told to have sex, and reproduce.
Its not the big bang, but the most awesome bang of all time, and started it off with a multiplication.
Jesus created SEX, and sex could not have mutated perfectly together over millions and billions of years. But thats a new topic, that evolutionists can not face.... or answer ... or consider...as they run away screaming and cry foul foul....
Jesus wins, two become one and produce a third.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 97 of 114 (806572)
04-26-2017 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Admin
04-26-2017 8:02 AM


Re: Of course I object...
Of course I object, from different angles and different reasoning and logic I am proving that laws did not evolve and laws will not evolve, and laws did not create life.
The thread is very active and ongoing, and IMPORTANT as an established principle, so readers especially can have a law on which to ground themselves.
Other threads have gone on for years and years without going into summary mode.... why should this one be stopped when it is very active and different people are responding.
David

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 99 of 114 (806955)
04-29-2017 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Admin
04-27-2017 7:38 AM


Re: Of course I object...
Your the evolution webmaster HERE, Percy, so sure decide what you want to do.
But it appears you have open threads from years and years back, that are still open, some active and some deader than evolutionary bones, and leading nowhere.
Your choice....
Yes, we have proven that laws did not evolve, and have not evolved, and hence logically we can assume no magic mutational laws will ever happen in the future. It would be irrational, unscientific and just a hoped for chance occurence of evolutionists who always have faith in mutations as a motivater for change.
But lets hear from them or you, in why you believe there is a chance for future conditions to make up new laws.
Thats part and parcel of time, past failed, present fails and future hope of evolution making new laws fail. Thats time, thats logic and that is reason.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 101 of 114 (807006)
04-30-2017 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Admin
04-30-2017 7:32 AM


Re: 'Laws did not evolve' is now a GIVEN
But Percy, they need to actually learn to say something and connect something, before I can logically and rationally and scientifically respond to them. As can be seen, they just use one line denials in almost every thread.
But no problem as a winner of this debate, I dont mind this thread going into SUMMARY MODE..... as it being shown and proven and agreed upon that laws never have evolved, and never can evolve any law or laws in future time.
I dont mind at all if this thread can be used as a GIVEN or a LAW, that laws dont evolve and didn't evolve.
You say it is agreed upon, so be it.
Amen (as amen means so be it)

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 104 of 114 (807052)
04-30-2017 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Tanypteryx
04-30-2017 12:44 PM


Re: 'Laws did not evolve' is now a GIVEN
Please stick to the topic, we are discussing how the laws of physics and creation came about. Have any of them evolved...and evolutionists say none of them have evolved...but that they have all been HERE since the Beginning.
Evolutionists beginning is the Big Magic Bang or Big Explosion billions or trillions of years ago, creationists Beginning is sanely laid out exactly in Genesis...
Laws have not evolved, since the BEGINNING is the premise, and no one has disagree yet. So disagree or shrink back into the background... or answer the question.
No laws have evolved is a GIVEN
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 108 of 114 (807071)
04-30-2017 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Tanypteryx
04-30-2017 3:23 PM


Re: 'Laws did not evolve' is now a GIVEN
Aha... a new semantic phrase brought to you by evolutionists.
Space time is expanding not exploding... life was created by a slow expansion as another evolutionist put in.
Its not an explosion, the elements or non molecules just nicely re-arranged as the expansion happened and just slowly drifted to our little part of the Universe, where they all just rearranged themselves into our balanced and harmonic world just by slow lucky chance and a slow expansion, that was nicely organized and not a big bang but just a slow moving bang expansion.
And I thought I heard every excuse under the Sun from evolutionists and now they come up with this, because they realise a Big Bang sounds to much like an explosion. And no one could ever believe such a ridiculous explosion could create life and help evolve life, so they slowed it all down to a slow slow expansion.
I nominate this evolutionary double speak phrase as the JOKE OF THE DAY
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 111 of 114 (807088)
04-30-2017 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by jar
04-30-2017 6:54 PM


Re: Davidjay continues telling lies.
Chir stated it, I think Percy stated it, so evolutionists must now be using it everywhere to get away from their Big Bang Theory.
But if you like you can call them liars for stating such ridiculous double speak.
And do repost properly, as I didn;t state it, but was using their written words, as proof of their mistakes and new theories on old theories, on new explosions to cover up for old explosions.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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