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Tangle Member Posts: 9616 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Dredge writes: But is it not true that scientists cite small observed changes in bacteria as evidence that unlimited change is possible, thus enabling whale evolution to be possible? Darwin proposed the idea that species were not immutable before he knew the mechanism for how they could change. The ToE was developed mostly from fossil evidence. Mutations are now part of story, they show how such change can happen - we now have modern day, observation based evidence of one of the mechanisms for change. Unfortunate for you though it is.
Embryology. Haeckel's fraudulent embryo charts are still cited in some textbooks to support the theory of evolution. Wow, that's disturbing. Darwinists love their snake-oil science. Embryology shows how organisms develop from the first cells. It's provides an analogy for how life may have evolved. The fact that wale embryos develop limbs that are subsequently reabsorbed is further evidence of the origins of these species. What is your explanation? This evidence does not rely on Haeckel. You really need to progress beyond the 19th century.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: This is how.
Going from observing small differences to claiming that the massive changes alleged in whale evolution is quite an extrapolation. How can you be certain that small observed changes mean unlimited change is possible? My nephew grew an inch taller in the last twelve months - does this mean he will grow one inch taller every year for the rest of his life? dr Adequate writes: Study the mechanisms to try and understand them.
An understanding of the underlying mechanisms.....
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2628 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Dredge is right, wild extrapolations do not prove massive change.
Evolutionists excuse their wild theory by saying that those that dont agree with such fantasies, just dont understand the mechanism. NO, evolutionists use semantics as their proofs. Micro-evolution or small variations are originated by the Lord at creation. Its variability or the spice of life variation that makes us slightly different in minor, make no difference appearances etc. BUT WE ARE STILL HUMANS, even if one is taller, different color, different minor characteristic. Insane evolutionists call this micro evolution a total LIE, and then suggest MAJOR CHANGES must be possible as well. Its ludicrous and unscientific, but then again it is a desperate ploy of evolutionists to try to have some credability. NO whale spouts didnt evolve, when an underwater fish decided to become a mammal, to brethe aitr, and then figured out he better wait a few million years for the spout to be mutated nicely on the top of his head. Evolution is a religion and not science.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Pressie Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
You like word salads.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2628 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
No, Pressie, you evolutionists are word salad people. I like meat and potatos, or better yet rice and fish.
You evolutionists love word changes, and changing definitions, and semantics and word intimidations. I like truths, and laws, and facts and math. Jesus therefore wins again, and your quesses and theories and word games fail again. (We must discuss your god of Selection on a new thread, just start it and I will finnish off your god). The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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I hate word salads and semantics, I like FACTS and MATH Then you must be a masochist since you are inflicting that on yourself.
I like truths, and laws, and facts and math. Yet we have seen none of those things in your posts. Odd.
Jesus therefore wins again, and your quesses and theories and word games fail again. Actually, just to help you along, I have been keeping score. Currently, it is 37 for the evolution side and 0 for you. Also, 'quesses' is not a word. Although it does show up in the urban dictionary:
quote: Is that you?? Although I would think that being locked in a basement with only math textbooks would have at least made you good at math.
We must discuss your god of Selection on a new thread, just start it and I will finnish off your god Our god is Finnish? Well damn!
Well I'm all for that. Those gods look bad-ass!! Evolution OWNS. Creationism groans.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 114 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Recently I had a bizarre conversation with my chiropractor, who believes in evolution. I asked her, "Considering the fact that humans are running the 100 faster and faster, can the prediction be made that the current world record will be broken?" She said, "Of course it can; there is no limit to how fast humans can run, because there is no limit to evolution.". This was her idea of being scientific.
The truth is, despite the fact that humans have been running the 100 meters faster and faster, one cannot predict with certainty that the current world record will be broken. It may happen, it may not. No one knows. To predict that it will certainly be broken is to make an irrational assumption and an unscientific extrapolation ... to further claim that there is no limit to how fast evolution will allow humans to run is something out of La La Land.Irrational assumptions and unscientific extrapolations of this nature are part of the staple diet of the Darwinist mentality. And they call it science! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9616 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Dredge writes: And they call it science! If by 'they' you mean scientists, then no they don't. This is just ill-informed chatter. People who haven't studied the ToE have all sorts of misconceptions about it as you prove with every post. This is just another one.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one is funny.
Dredge writes: I think you made that one up. Scientific theories are not believed. Recently I had a bizarre conversation with my chiropractor, who believes in evolution... I don't believe in any scientific theory. I accept the findings of the hundreds of thousands of specialists on a subject, from all over the world, following scientific methods, to likely be relatively accurate in explaining reality. It works very well in the field I'm in. Exploration and mining companies are pretty accurate in what they will find underground.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2628 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined:
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As a former athelete, I can agree with you, on the second point DREDGE.
But Yes, statistically you can predict that the world record of most track events can be broken.... microscopically in the future. Betternutrition, more training, cross breeding atheletes together at the international events (I didnt mind that one). But is their a limit, absolutely.... bone structure etc etc etc... is a branch of physics when compared with weight and gravity. I studied that long ago, the Lord made limits to our human body, just as aging brings on decay. Yes evolutionists extrapolations can be absolutely non sensical and totally unscientific, but new records have an ultimate limit. I hated when I approached the bar, and found it at eyelevel rather than me looking down at the high jump bar. Im 6'4". The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2628 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Pst... evolutionists can not even get off the ground !
. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Recently I had a bizarre conversation with my chiropractor, who believes in evolution. I asked her, "Considering the fact that humans are running the 100 faster and faster, can the prediction be made that the current world record will be broken?" She said, "Of course it can; there is no limit to how fast humans can run, because there is no limit to evolution.". This was her idea of being scientific. The truth is, despite the fact that humans have been running the 100 meters faster and faster, one cannot predict with certainty that the current world record will be broken. It may happen, it may not. No one knows. To predict that it will certainly be broken is to make an irrational assumption and an unscientific extrapolation ... to further claim that there is no limit to how fast evolution will allow humans to run is something out of La La Land.Irrational assumptions and unscientific extrapolations of this nature are part of the staple diet of the Darwinist mentality. And they call it science! I note that your silly childish ramblings have nothing to do with whales.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 114 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Pressie: "I think you made that one up".
If you consider it a fact that all life evolved from a common ancestor, how is that not a belief? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2405 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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If you think it's a fact that all life evolved from a common ancestor, how is that not a belief? From a piece I put together a while back: Fact: when an observation is confirmed repeatedly and by many independent and competent observers, it can become a fact. Beliefs do not require evidence, facts require repeated confirmation. Big difference!Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 114 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Davidjay: "It's ludicrous and unscientific ... "
Pierre-P. Grasse, professor of zoology and member of Academie des sciences (France):"(Evolutionary) Biologists must be encouraged to think about the weaknesses of the interpretations and extrapolations that theoreticians put forward or lay down as established truths. The deceit is sometimes unconscious, but not always, as some people, owing to their sectarianism, purposefully overlook reality and refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and the falsity of their beliefs."
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