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Yes, Geronimus, its too late, the only thing you can say is WAT.... you can not discuss or argue that laws were created .Evolution only creates a vacuum in the minds of its believers, nothing more. Evolution did not create any laws.This thread should be summarized.Allow me..Creation created the Laws of the Universe

No David, that too is simply not true. First you use the term evolutionist when talking about laws of nature. That is simply stupid. The two areas of knowledge are not related. Second, only humans create "Laws" as verbal explanations of the properties seen. The "Laws" are all human creations. Again, you are just posting nonsense. First, again you simply do not understand what you are talking about.Not all properties existed in this universe at all times. The properties of matter could not exist until there was matter. The properties of space time could not exist until there was space time.The "Laws" came later. The "Laws" were created by man gradually over time as approximations that described what was seen. As knowledge increased those "Laws" evolved to become increasingly precise and accurate.As I have suggested to you in the past, perhaps you first need to learn English and what the words you try to use mean before posting stuff that makes you appear the fool.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin my ----> by

Well, here we are in a thread you started 60 messages in and you haven't listed the "Laws of the Universe".Why do you think "Evolutionists" are concerned with the "Laws of the Universe"?How many "Laws of the Universe" are there?Please give us a list of the "Laws of the Universe" in order. (in order of importance or alphabetically, either will work) Did someone tell you that "Evolution" creates LAWS?What happens if the "Laws of the Universe" are violated?PS: Did you know that there are spell checkers that will auto-correct what you write so that you will not look quite so stupid?

Physical laws are not "created". They are just a description of what we observe. They don't have a "lawgiver".

Yes, evolution did not create the laws, that have been there since the BEGINNING of Creation as creationists have said over and over and over again.The wierd theory of evolution is not a law, but a man made theory (or lets say religion) and it has no counterpart laws in any
other field of true science. Its luck and chance theory only applies to living things that were already created (via Creationism) and evolutionists can only talk about and within so called biological evolution within their pews. I mean hallowed halls of forced learning.

You should try to understand what a law is. As I said, a law is just a description of what we observe. It's a shorthand notation. It's a man-made construct. All of the "laws" in biology, geology, chemistry, physics, etc. are fully compatable. Which of those do you think are not "true" science?

As mentioned, laws are compatible, they fit together, they have not evolved. evolution has no comment on the Laws of the Universe which were created in the BEGINNING as even the above evolutionists now admit.I have proven my point. Laws are not evolving. Evolution created no laws.Creationism makes sense and applies to the Laws of the Universe as seen from the BEGINNING. The Laws of the Universe have not changed. Evolution does not apply..... it remains in the realm of the unproven and untested and the unreliable. A mere MYTH a mere hoped for science, forced upon the weak as their new religion.Read the TOPIC... Laws hapened by chance .. ANSWER NO.Did laws evolve ? Answer NO .......

You've proven that you don't understand what physical laws are.

Can you show us which laws are compatible, and explain what compatibility means?Can you show us how they fit together and what that means?Can you show us your evidence that the "Laws of the Universe" were created in the BEGINNING? You are implying that the "above evolutionists" have changed their minds about this. Can you show where they ever said anything different? Can you list the "Laws of the Universe"? Any of them? No. you didn't. I can see that you think your god tells you this stuff, but it is just tinnitus.Can you show that you have a clue what you are talking about?......LIST THE "LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE"!

What is it that you think you are doing here?Do you honestly believe you can convince us that we think something that we don't by telling us on the internet that we do think it?Are you insane?

In order for the Big Bang to occur, surely there must have already been laws. I mean, how can something explode if there are no laws? How would a big explosion change the laws that were present before the explosion, or produce laws if there were no laws before the explosion?

Percy didn't say there were no laws before the Big Bang, he said that we have evidence that the laws haven't changed subsequent to the Big Bang.

Intuitively it does feel that way, at least a set of meta-laws for creating laws (begging the question where the meta-laws came from), but if one is restricting oneself to statements based on evidence then we have no evidence for what came before the Big Bang. Given that time began when the universe began at the Big Bang, we don't even know what "before the Big Bang" means. The Big Bang was not an explosion but a rapid expansion of space. We don't currently know the origin of the laws of the universe.--Percy

Prof Hawking reckons the universe was inevitable because of the law of gravity. Leaving the obvious question hanging.

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"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.

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"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

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I'm not sure we're capable of understanding it, or even why we should be.

No Cats eye, you cant convince an evolutionist in an evolutionist discussion board enough to change their mind because their religion and whole life depends on luck and chance rather than a design and especially not a DESIGNER. Few of them ever, ever change, they are hardened and closed minded.The usual only point of posting on such boards is for readers to read and see the fallacies of the evolutionists who have no answers, no proofs, no explanations, and the fallacies of their logic and rationale, and lack of any science to back them up.