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Faith 
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Message 226 of 1352 (805465)
04-18-2017 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Dr Adequate
04-18-2017 4:41 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Eighteen miles at its widest, and various buttes it had to carve around. No way. The look of the canyon fits a great cataract of water pouring over all the sides as well as through the canyon itself, the carving helped by a lot of abrasive stuff in the water, chunks of strata that broke up above the canyon mouth level being the best candidate. The river is a puny instrument for such a job.

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Message 227 of 1352 (805466)
04-18-2017 5:02 PM
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04-18-2017 4:48 PM


Re: On "opinions"
The "You only have today's rates to extrapolate from" is not simply factually wrong, willfully ignorant and dishonest, it's stupid as well. We have uranium halos; we have the properties of stars, we have fossils, we have the evidence in the rocks, we have genetics including human as well as plant and animal genetics from thousands of years before Adam.
No honest person who is not willfully ignorant or totally delusional can deny we see stars at night, can see the composition of stars, can see the nuclear reactions of stars and thus check todays facts against past afacts. Also as Faith has been shown many times in the past there are things like Oklo and we can compare the waste produced there to waste in a modern nuclear reactor and see that today's reactions are the same as they were almost 2 billion years ago.
We can look at the wear caused by constant 24/7/365 falling water at thousands of waterfalls to see wear and thus know with a very high degree of confidence that the puny little 40 day and 40 night rain of the Biblical Flood myths could never have created even enough sand to fill a beach volley ball court.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 228 of 1352 (805467)
04-18-2017 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Faith
04-18-2017 4:51 PM


Re: On "opinions"
That's true. Everything in the past is a matter of interpretation.
Great, so, now the existence of dinosaurs is mere cloudy speculation.
When you guys, in order to deny specific knowledge about the past, have to deny that it can be known at all, it shows how weak your case is. We don't have to resort to that, we can say, hey, let's look at the evidence and learn about the past!
Imagine two suspects for a crime. One says: "I want to be cleared, so please take my fingerprints, take my DNA, look under my fingernails, swab my hands and clothing for gunshot residue, use UV to look for blood spatter, by all means search my home and vehicle, I will cooperate fully." The other says: "There's no point in doing any of that, the past is fundamentally unknowable and looking at the evidence will never resolve what happened."
We know, don't we Faith, which man is supported by the evidence, and which man has something to hide?
The advantage we believers in the bible have is that we actually have a document that describes an event in the past. You guys have nothing but guesses.
Not at all, we have loads of documents describing events in the past. I could write one myself.

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Faith 
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Message 229 of 1352 (805468)
04-18-2017 5:08 PM
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04-18-2017 5:05 PM


Re: On "opinions"
NO, you know I didn't say that. I agreed that your THEORY about thye dinossaurs isn't provable. The EXISTENCE of dinosaurs some time in the paqst is certainly proved. The bones prove it.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 230 of 1352 (805469)
04-18-2017 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Faith
04-18-2017 5:00 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Eighteen miles at its widest, and various buttes it had to carve around. No way.
Show your working?
The look of the canyon fits a great cataract of water pouring over all the sides ...
Which sides? Have you tried to visualize what you're talking about?
The river is a puny instrument for such a job.
7 times the volume of the Med, remember? That's a lot of water.

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Faith 
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Message 231 of 1352 (805470)
04-18-2017 5:10 PM
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04-18-2017 5:02 PM


Re: On "opinions"
he "You only have today's rates to extrapolate from" is not simply factually wrong, willfully ignorant and dishonest, it's stupid as well. We have uranium halos; we have the properties of stars, we have fossils, we have the evidence in the rocks, we have genetics including human as well as plant and animal genetics from thousands of years before Adam.
All of those things suffer from the same problem, that there is no witness of any of it IN THE PAST. it's all a matter of interpretation/guesswork from facts in the present. None of it as good as dinosaur bones.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 232 of 1352 (805471)
04-18-2017 5:13 PM
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04-18-2017 5:10 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
The amount of water that has been flowing for the last 4000 years isn't the same as the amount that would have initially broken into the canyon. It might have bene more, actually, who knows?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 233 of 1352 (805472)
04-18-2017 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
04-18-2017 5:08 PM


Re: On "opinions"
NO, you know I didn't say that. I agreed that your THEORY about thye dinossaurs isn't provable. The EXISTENCE of dinosaurs some time in the paqst is certainly proved. The bones prove it.
I was talking about your dinosaur theory. The theory that postulates, based on the present existence of a bunch of funny-shaped rocks, that the world was once inhabited by giant reptiles that no-one's ever seen.

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Tangle
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Message 234 of 1352 (805473)
04-18-2017 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Faith
04-18-2017 4:51 PM


Re: On "opinions"
Faith writes:
The advantage we believers in the bible have is that we actually have a document that describes an event in the past.
And you can't see the rather obvious problems with this?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Dr Adequate
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Message 235 of 1352 (805474)
04-18-2017 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Faith
04-18-2017 5:13 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
The amount of water that has been flowing for the last 4000 years isn't the same as the amount that would have initially broken into the canyon. It might have bene more, actually, who knows?
Yes, I said it was a ballpark figure.

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Faith 
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Message 236 of 1352 (805475)
04-18-2017 5:22 PM
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04-18-2017 5:18 PM


Re: On "opinions"
My theory is interpretation too. What we argue is plausible interpretations. The point is that the claims by Old Earthers and evolutionistas are NOT the ironclad facts they claim they are.

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Faith 
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Message 237 of 1352 (805476)
04-18-2017 5:23 PM
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04-18-2017 5:18 PM


Re: On "opinions"
Nope. It's a trustworthy document attested by 3000 years of use.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 238 of 1352 (805477)
04-18-2017 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Faith
04-18-2017 5:22 PM


Re: On "opinions"
My theory is interpretation too. What we argue is plausible interpretations. The point is that the claims by Old Earthers and evolutionistas are NOT the ironclad facts they claim they are.
They're just ... very very very plausible interpretations. Wait, isn't that pretty much what a fact is?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 239 of 1352 (805478)
04-18-2017 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Faith
04-18-2017 5:23 PM


Re: On "opinions"
Nope. It's a trustworthy document attested by 3000 years of use.
It may be useful if you want to know who to stone to death, but it hasn't worked out that well as an underpinning for science, has it?

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Tangle
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Message 240 of 1352 (805479)
04-18-2017 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Faith
04-18-2017 5:23 PM


Re: On "opinions"
Faith writes:
Nope. It's a trustworthy document attested by 3000 years of use.
1. You weren't there so how do you know? (Your own argument, not mine).
2. Do you know who wrote these books? Nope.
3. The documents were not written contemporaneosly
4. The documents were edited and and redacted 350 after the fact by a dictator and politician
5.
Oh - you know the rest.
Yet you invest them with so much significance that they overwhelm your ability to think independently and objectively. In fact they absolve you of the necessity of accepting reality altogether. Well whatever gets you through the night I guess.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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