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Tangle
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Message 121 of 1352 (804488)
04-10-2017 9:36 AM


There's an unbridgeable chasm here.
If someone can read the stories in the bible - making women from ribs, parting waters, talking snakes, giants, 600 year old men, arks etc - and not see them as mythology, but reject almost all evidence based science that can be demonstrated to be correct, there's no real point arguing. No headway can be made because the believer has alternative facts and an alternative life-model.
When delusion reaches in so deep, it seems that nothing can change it. It shows how amazing the minds of those real christians were to come up with the revolutionary new ideas about how our world actually is. Particularly those that challenged the young earth ideas. It must have been tough for them mentally, socially and politically.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

  
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Message 122 of 1352 (804489)
04-10-2017 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
04-10-2017 7:26 AM


You are simply missing the whole point. We KNOW that God's word is true, so that is where we MUST start.
How do you "KNOW" this? Not from the evidence, obviously, since you feel it is imperative to make up your mind on the subject before looking at the evidence. But what other way is there of acquiring knowledge?
I'd be an idiot to put it aside to start with the observations of my own fallen mind.
If it really was true, then you'd get the same results either way so long as it's a point on which we have evidence. For example, the Bible says that the Sun exists, but since it does exist we don't need to assume the truth of the Bible in order to come to that conclusion.

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Message 123 of 1352 (804493)
04-10-2017 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Davidjay
04-09-2017 1:00 AM


Re: .. Great Pyramid
DavidJay writes:
So how many days are there in a week 7
How many 1,000 year periods are there according to the Great Math Book ? 7
How many have to pass before the Lord returns ... 6 and sets up His RULE of 1,000 years.
So do you think that the Lord's 1000 year rule started in 1997?!? (Not 1996; there is no year zero.)
DavidJay writes:
Jesus was born in 4 BC, four thousand years after Creation, when He started Creation.... exactly. Amazing HUH, OK coincidence if you have a weak mind but the coincidences keep adding up, over and over and over again, until it gets into your head that it isnt coincidence, it has to be TIME DESIGN...
Not amazing at all. Before Bishop Ussher, lots of people had tried to calculate the date of creation, all with different results. But Bishop Ussher believed (as you do) that the 7 days of creation were symbolic for 7 millennia. So he "rigged" his calculations to come up with 4004 BC, exactly 4000 years before Jesus' birth.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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Message 124 of 1352 (804494)
04-10-2017 1:51 PM
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04-10-2017 1:33 PM


Re: .. Great Pyramid
So do you think that the Lord's 1000 year rule started in 1997?!?
Sure, it was heralded by signs and portents. Michael Tyson bit that guy's ear, the first Harry Potter book came out, and the musical adaptation of The Lion King began what is now a record-breaking 20 year run on Broadway. These are exactly the sort of miracles we expect to attend the second coming of Christ.

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Message 125 of 1352 (804543)
04-11-2017 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Davidjay
04-06-2017 10:51 AM


The story passed down from Noah and family, to the various world wide cultures
OK, I now see that your statement that I quoted makes more sense than I thought. Not that I'm buying into it.
I would like to see information that some culture (of those "over 200 different cultures"), GEOGRAPHICALLY REMOTE from the middle east, actually have the same story that is told in the Bible. Show me where they contain some reference to a Noah and family as being the only survivors.
Just ONE example - Don't (dare I say) flood us with a bunch of vague assertions of numerous cultures having the same story is their histories. One or two paragraphs of a total of about 10 lines or less should do the job, plus a reference to where you got the information.
Moose

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Message 126 of 1352 (804549)
04-11-2017 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Dr Adequate
04-10-2017 12:29 AM


Now back to the FLOOD, as evolutionists must fight its exactness tooth and nail, and gnashing of teeth and lips.
{Most of message text hidden as being off-topic. Use "peek" if you want to see. - Adminnemooseus}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Hide off-topic text.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 127 of 1352 (804550)
04-11-2017 1:41 AM


Step 1 was absolutely proven with easy mathematics.
Yes, its straight from the Bible. Yes there are no missing links, Yes its exact.
Step 2... this exact time frame EXACTLY matches exactly a day of seconds, from Creation.
OneDayTilNoahsFlood
Deniers cant handle it so avoid it. So STEP 2 is confirmed
STEP 3 is the Great Prophetic Pyramid, Enochs unmistakable mathematically perfect PHI GOLDEN SECTION TEMPLATE OF CREATION, structure that has an inch equals a year ratio written in the distance or length of its passage ways..... ascending to the exact year of the Flood, ascending exactly three thousand inches from the entrance to Jesus BIRTH, and then exactly to the publishing of the written word, EXACTLY AT THE GREAT stone OR leap, ONTO THE KINGS CHAMBER, WHEN HE SHALL return
Three Strikes you are out evolutionists.
You have no math, only theories and billions of years. You can try arguing with the GREAT umpire of the AGES, the GREAT JUDGE, but it wont do you any good. He knows your hearts. You are now responsible for what you could have known and admitted. Sit down on the bench.....
For the Lord has many mathematically exact ways to determine HIS FLOOD, and HIS HISTORY, so you are without excuse.
This thread is PROVEN and is mathematical as the Lord is the GREAT MATHEMATICIAN.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 128 of 1352 (804551)
04-11-2017 1:55 AM


Oh darn, I am suppose to give the evolutionists their chance to counter with their mathematical proofs that nothing ever happened, and all things continue from the beginning or first mutation or first explosion.
But mental atrophy and lack of courage and their absense of any math is evident again. As you can see they have nothing.
NO MATH, no exactness....
But give them a chance......
Nah, they will complain, and deny, and say someday evidence will come out, and someday they will find some truths, and someday they will have some MATH and know how the heck the sequence of mutations took place, and why organisms and ourselves were so darn lucky and fortunate that we got mutated over and over and over again, so that we evaded extinction....
OK, one day 24 hours, they can start their own thread just notify us HERE that they have incoming MATHEMATICAL PROOF, exactly confirmed to exactnessness at least THREE TIMES.
(PS But we cant wait a billion years for their math..only ONE DAY)
A day is a special divine time measure and not at random, as the Lord of Creation designed a 24 hour day, as even seconds are divine, minutes divine, hours divine, all because of the speeds, motions of the first week when the Lord spun the Earth and set the Earth in place.
Creationin24HourDays
(SEE LIGHT SPEED IS BY DESIGN)

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 129 of 1352 (804558)
04-11-2017 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 1:41 AM


quote:
Step 1 was absolutely proven with easy mathematics.
Yes, its straight from the Bible. Yes there are no missing links, Yes its exact.
Which is why you have - to date - given three different results. And your "easy mathematics" fails to take account of precision and rounding errors.
And the rest is equally bad
So I guess you've proven that you are an ignorant liar who knows nothing about mathematics beyond basic arithmetic.

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Message 130 of 1352 (804559)
04-11-2017 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 1:55 AM


A day is a special divine time measure and not at random, as the Lord of Creation designed a 24 hour day, as even seconds are divine, minutes divine, hours divine, all because of the speeds, motions of the first week when the Lord spun the Earth and set the Earth in place.
This may blow your mind - were you aware that days are getting longer ? Ever so slightly, but definitely getting longer than 24 hours.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 131 of 1352 (804565)
04-11-2017 8:18 AM


Moderator Request
Please keep the personal comments to a minimum and the focus on the topic. If you have no valid rebuttal or comment then it is best to say nothing at all.

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Message 132 of 1352 (804590)
04-11-2017 11:47 AM
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04-11-2017 1:55 AM


A day is a special divine time measure and not at random, as the Lord of Creation designed a 24 hour day, as even seconds are divine, minutes divine, hours divine, all because of the speeds, motions of the first week when the Lord spun the Earth and set the Earth in place.
DO you know how long a day is in seconds? DO you know how long a week is?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 133 of 1352 (804607)
04-11-2017 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 1:55 AM


Oh darn, I am suppose to give the evolutionists their chance to counter with their mathematical proofs that nothing ever happened, and all things continue from the beginning or first mutation or first explosion.
But mental atrophy and lack of courage and their absense of any math is evident again. As you can see they have nothing.
NO MATH, no exactness....
Lots of criticism of the absence of response, but I can't see where you've responded to all those who pointed out why you're wrong.
You have given us no exact numbers. 'Calculation' 1 is based on adding generation lengths. A woman was born in 1950. She had a son at the age of 27. That son died at the age of 30. When did he die? Well, we don't know, because there are no exact numbers.
It could be anywhere between 1st January 2007 and 29th December 2009. This is the uncertainty you're dealing with by trying to count years from generations in the Bible.
Now, I calculated 1,656 years to be 86,407 weeks (with some remainder). This was based around using the normal convention of the year being 365.25 days long. You retorted that the year is actually 365.24 days long.
With a year length of 365.24 days we have 86,405 weeks with some remainder. Still not the exact 86,400 you were looking for. And the year isn't precisely 365.24 days long. 365.2422 is closer to the actual number. This number gives us closer to 86,406 weeks.
Lots of talk of precision, but I don't see any. Only this.
And we have confirmation, when considering Joshuas stopping the rotation for one day and other slight variables, such as the 370 days Noah was in the Ark before recreation started anew.
'It's close to the number I've arbitrarily decided is significant, so all the arithmetic I am not doing probably would work out exactly if I did it'. Disappointing.
Its not a conspiracy against you, they didn't fudge their numbers and work together with Moses, and translaters to try to get you out of your randomness stuppor. The figures match, so do the math, read about Enoch, and study the Great PYRAMID at Giza, designed by the Lord via Enoch.
Funnily enough, I have recently been reading about how Enoch got mixed up with myths about the Pyramids, but that's not the topic. Please show us your 'maths' about the pyramid so we can see why it's wrong.

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Message 134 of 1352 (804669)
04-12-2017 1:34 AM
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04-11-2017 8:18 AM


Re: Stay objective, rather than subjective
Thanks Mod, no one appreciates being called a loony. (or wacko) Posters can say that a theory is loony as with evolution, but you always have to try and stay objective, as a person, because of divine choice can change from a loony position to one based on facts and one that is tried and proven as with true Christianity and love.
Past loonies can be the best in helping present day people get out of lunatical theories and destructive mutated lives !

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 135 of 1352 (804670)
04-12-2017 1:43 AM
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04-11-2017 3:40 PM


I agree you have no idea why the Great Prophecy Pyramid existed, and as most probably think the Kings Chamber referred to Earthly Pharoah rather than designed by Enoch to show the end time, and an exact time progression yp the ascending passage way....
So to understand you will have to again study, all of the below to connect up your mind and all areas.... of alignment.
GreatPyramidProphecy
One error but I was hacked so haven;t been able to change it for a few years...... but the rest is right on and exact, especially as you would expect..
FloodUntilCrucifixion
No offense, but most evolutionists according to their mindset would have to say that their is no mathematics and design to the Great Pyramid of Enoch. I differ, you would to if you do the research.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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