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Davidjay 
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Message 76 of 1352 (804304)
04-07-2017 11:58 PM
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04-07-2017 1:53 PM


Re: Re:Step 2 Corelating 1656 Years to Time Units
No as you should know there are 365.24 days in a year. And you have to add, the time of the Flood before Noah stepped out onto dry land, and repopulated the Earth, with His three sons and their wifes, starting the three major races.
But yet again we came from the original couple, first Adam and then Noah.
Please read Enoch's exact timing in the Book of Enoch.....
If you have a brain, a designed brain, and all braqins have been exactly the same since the BEGINNING, no one has a different brain DNA, I repeat we are brethren. We are not disjointed partially mutated half brothers and sisters..... as evolution teaches us. There is zero benefit in stduying luck and choice evolution. No principles , no math.
But lets get back to prophecy, MATH and another exact dating of the Great Flood in History

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Coyote
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Message 77 of 1352 (804305)
04-08-2017 12:02 AM
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04-07-2017 11:53 PM


Re: Evidence against the global flood being ignored
But already I and we are light years ahead of evolutionists because they have no math, no viable history just theory on theory.
Ummmm. We have evidence, which is more than you have.
I posted some evidence upthread twice from my own archaeological projects which by itself disproves the global flood at the "exact" time you are promoting.
Why have you ignored that evidence?
Or are you just here to push your pet theories, with no effort to actually debate the issue?

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Davidjay 
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Message 78 of 1352 (804306)
04-08-2017 12:12 AM
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04-07-2017 11:53 PM


Re: Re:Step 2 Corelating 1656 Years to Time Units
Caff... 365.24 days per year divided by 7 days in a week = 52.177142 weeks in a solar year . We then times this by 1656 years and it means 86,405 days.
And we have confirmation, when considering Joshuas stopping the rotation for one day and other slight variables, such as the 370 days Noah was in the Ark before recreation started anew.
Google
So keep that in the back of your mathematical higher vertebrate skulls and ponder the next exact distances and exact corelations with time.
Are you ready ?

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Davidjay 
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Message 79 of 1352 (804307)
04-08-2017 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Davidjay
04-08-2017 12:12 AM


Re: Re:Step 2 Corelating 1656 Years to Time Units
Seeing we will be now studying the Great Pyramid Prophecy of the Lord, Caff.. I looked up references for you, for the days in a year according to Enoch who was the builder designer of the Great Pyramid of the Lord.
Google
Its not a conspiracy against you, they didn't fudge their numbers and work together with Moses, and translaters to try to get you out of your randomness stuppor. The figures match, so do the math, read about Enoch, and study the Great PYRAMID at Giza, designed by the Lord via Enoch.

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Davidjay 
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Message 80 of 1352 (804308)
04-08-2017 12:30 AM
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04-08-2017 12:15 AM


Re: Re:Step 3 Confirming distance TIME to the Great Flood
Whoops, Joshua stopping the Sun was post Worldwide Flood, it was just after Moses death on Mount Nebo.
Got to get things right ?
Evolutionists try to within a billion years whereas us creationists try to be much much more exact

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Message 81 of 1352 (804309)
04-08-2017 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Davidjay
04-08-2017 12:30 AM


Re: Re:Step 3 Confirming distance TIME to the Great Flood
Evolutionists try to within a billion years whereas us creationists try to be much much more exact
So, you have the exact date of the flood that never happened?
How about addressing the evidence I posted, or are you just going to continuing on your merry way, ignoring everything that contradicts your mathematical "proof?"

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 82 of 1352 (804310)
04-08-2017 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Davidjay
04-07-2017 11:53 PM


Re: Re:Step 2 Corelating 1656 Years to Time Units
quote:
Its now agreed that my math was correct !!! IE that Genesis Bible account with no missing links adds up exactly to 1656 years.
No, it is not agreed, because it is not true. I don't know how you can think you can get away with lying like this. The Genesis account does not add up to any exact number of years because it does not give the information necessary.
And can you make up your mind please. First you said it was 1646 years from creation to the start of the Flood, then it was 1656 years and now it seems to be 1656 years until Noah left the ark - which is more than a year later than the start. Funny how the "exact" figure keeps changing.
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Now STEP 2, is easily confirmed mathematically that there was exactly 84, 400 weeks before Adam set forth on dry ground, this being exactly the number of seconds in a day. 86,400 seconds.
No, it is not - you don't have the exact numbers you would need. There is just no way to know the exact number of weeks
quote:
In a denying mind this means nothing, as it booggles the unthinking mind that a Creator could be so exact, and DESIGN HISTORY so exactly. At the very least it should make thinking people demand more proofs and want to search more mathematical so called coincidences of time in world HISTORY.
Whether the story is in fact history is what you are supposed to be proving - so even if you weren't telling obvious lies you would be begging the question. All you could hope to prove is that the story was carefully designed, something which is within human capability and no use to you at all.
So any actual thinking person will tell you to stop wasting time with stupid lies and actually start doing what you said you would do - if you can. (Which is an extraordinarily generous appraisal since you can't)
quote:
So lets move on to STEP 3 Confirmation before the Conclusion and wrap up even though there are a multiple of other connections I can give.
Is Step 3 going to actual going to offer any valid argument for the Flood or is it going to be another stupid waste of time ? Your step 1 was wrong, your step 2 relied on the erroneous step 1 and could only prove a clever bit of numerology built into the story even if it step 1 was correct.
quote:
But already I and we are light years ahead of evolutionists because they have no math, no viable history just theory on theory.
Funny how creationists think that they can completely reverse reality.

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Davidjay 
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Message 83 of 1352 (804311)
04-08-2017 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Coyote
04-08-2017 12:02 AM


Re: Evidence against the global flood being ignored
Coyote, your can have your non-evidence if you like. No problem thats your philosophical choice.
But you asked me to enlighten you about the TRUE History or Mathematical proofs about the Great Worldwide Flood of Noah. So as directed by the rules I am following the TOPIC, and enlightening any that do the math and do the research.
Its not about you, Coyote, dont feel left out and abandoned.
Lets stick to the TOPIC as we move forward... in the mathematical PROOFS of the Great Flood , the Great Destruction as noted by Darwin in the Beagle and the eminent Viekosky.
Think Math and exactness and laws and principles Coyote, me thinks you have dropped off too many cliffs chasing Roadrunners.

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Message 84 of 1352 (804312)
04-08-2017 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Davidjay
04-07-2017 10:02 AM


Not a science topic, going to be moved
The TOPIC is mathematical proof of the timing and true place in History of the Great Worldwide Flood.
This is not a science topic, this is some sort of Bible study topic. Indeed, Davidjay has not offered up the slightest scrap of scientific support for "the flood" having happened.
Going to move topic to the "Bible Study" forum. The science side follows it there at the own personal risk.
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

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Message 85 of 1352 (804314)
04-08-2017 1:13 AM


Thread Copied from Geology and the Great Flood Forum
Thread copied here from the The TRVE history of the Flood... thread in the Geology and the Great Flood forum.

  
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Message 86 of 1352 (804316)
04-08-2017 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Davidjay
04-08-2017 1:05 AM


Re: Evidence against the global flood being ignored
Lets stick to the TOPIC as we move forward... in the mathematical PROOFS of the Great Flood ...
... which you have not presented ...
, the Great Destruction as noted by Darwin in the Beagle ...
... for which you supply no reference ...
and the eminent Viekosky.
Who is Viekosky and in what field is he eminent?

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Message 87 of 1352 (804318)
04-08-2017 2:30 AM
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04-08-2017 1:26 AM


Re: Evidence against the global flood being ignored
This is likely who he means:
Immanuel Velikovsky

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
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Coyote
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Message 88 of 1352 (804321)
04-08-2017 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Davidjay
04-08-2017 1:05 AM


Re: Evidence against the global flood being ignored
Coyote, your can have your non-evidence if you like. No problem thats your philosophical choice.
But you asked me to enlighten you about the TRUE History or Mathematical proofs about the Great Worldwide Flood of Noah.
You have stated the age of the purported flood, now its our turn to deal with that claim.
If we can show there was no flood, as I have done easily from my own archaeological research, then further discussion of how you arrived at that date is useless.
You might just as well be polishing the ship's bell on the Titanic for all the use those "proofs" are when the flood itself has been disproved.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 89 of 1352 (804330)
04-08-2017 8:13 AM
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04-08-2017 1:12 AM


Re: Not a science topic, going to be moved
It's not really a Bible study topic either... I think we should have a new forum category for all these odd discussions that don't really fit into any existing category well. Maybe call it "non compos mentis" sort of a free-for-all of crazy
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 90 of 1352 (804331)
04-08-2017 8:29 AM
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04-08-2017 2:30 AM


Re: Evidence against the global flood being ignored
Yeah, the archetype of looney tunes.
COSMOS WITHOUT GRAVITATION is especially risible.

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