The TRVE history of the Flood...

Your straw man is more pathetic than most. End of conversation.

How would I ever know that I need to go buy more beer if I cannot prove that there is no beer in the fridge? How could one stratum get smooshed down on top of another stratum without there being a tight contact line between them? They can't float! Yeah right. I don't believe you.

Excellent! I've been looking forward to discovering what your 'exact maths' involved ever since you started blethering about it. ...and then you don't show us any maths. You just tell us to look at your website.Worse, you don't even link to a page with maths on it. The only number on that page is a Bible chapter reference.I clicked on a couple of links but the closest I found to maths was arithmetic - the adding of generation lengths in Genesis. I was hoping for something more interesting but don't intend to click on every article to find where this maths is hiding. Let's see where you direct us. There's an obscure (unconscious) reference to medieval Islamic myths about the Great Pyramid; then the (probably false) claim that the pasageway to the King's Chamber is 6007 inches long. Therefore, the length of the passageway is equal to the length of history!... if you use a unit defined in 1930.... and if it's 2004. Neither that year nor the flood are mentioned in the page linked to. I can only handle so much disappointment in one evening, so I'm not clicking aimlessly through the linked articles to find where this is supposed to be demonstrated.If this is the 'exact maths' you prefer to statistics, then I am distinctly unimpressed.

The diference between us Faith, is that I am very willing to follow the evidence. I would be overjoyed to find evidence that destroyed extant science - no matter what it is. I'm a bit of an iconoclast, I enjoy disruptive change and new ideas. How fabulous it would be to find real evidence of a God. It would be the biggest thing to have happened to humanity ever. Why wouldn't anyone want to know that?You, on the other hand, tell us that your beliefs are absolutely correct; just can't be wrong. You can't therefore follow evidence, you are required by your beliefs to deny evidence that contradicts them. You simply can not accept counter-biblical ideas. That's a fact isn't it? You told us so yourself.

This is a huge waste of time. Just deal with the evidence I've given. I've described the strata, answer the descdription. The description suggests a young earth. I have not referred to the Bible. Yes the bible is infallible, but it doesn't dictate the eviddnece. Deal with the evidence. Thanik you.

Actually Faith, no you have not. What you have done is describe your made up strata. Actually Faith, no it does not. YOU make up the fantasy of a young Earth based on your perversion of the Bible. Actually Faith, no it is not. Once gain the reality is that the Bible is filled with factual errors and contradictions. What you claim is infallible is your fantasy.

Only PaulK has addressed the evidence I've given at all, everybody else has engaged in one form of evasion or another. There is no point discussing all the extra-evidential comments and I'm sorry I've done that.By which I mean Coyote's refusal to address the evidence I've given because his dating methods are enough for him'
Tangle's refusal to address the evidence because I get my inspiration from the Bible;
CatsEye's refusal to address the evidence because I've never taken a pickaxe to a rock;
and jar's refusal to address the evidence because he prefers to make unfounded accusations based on his prejudices about my beliefs.But for anyone who might like to think about the evidence itself, here are four posts of mine about the evidence: Message 10
Message 18
Message 20
Message 36There are other briefer remarks on the evidence besides these.

From the Forum Guidelines:

5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.

This thread is for Davidjay to present his views on the flood. Since his Message 24 contained no evidence, arguments or descriptions, only bare links to his website, he has yet to present them. Your views have other threads where they have been and can be discussed.

Not true, that was for clarity.Here's me addressing what you are calling evidence:

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Since these observations call the Old Earth model into question, they also call the dating methods into question, so you can't just keep pointing to those methods as if they trump everything else.

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Well, it is a science thread. Where's the scientific evidence that doesn't fit the old model?

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The evidence for the Flood is gargantuan, worldwide, starting with the sedimentary strata that were laid down one on top of another across huge spans of geography, obviously deposited by water, showing very tight contacts between them, razor sharp in many cases.

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How could one stratum get smooshed down on top of another stratum without there being a tight contact line between them? They can't float!

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I still don't know the answers to those questions.If you'll answer them, we can move on and I'll keep addressing.

How do you know?What properties of the plateaus indicate them being scoured off by receding Flood waters?

The densities of the strata, and the arrangements of their molecules, indicate that they have been compacted and we're not laid down in the form that they are in today.How does your model account for that?

Settle down folks, count to ten ! Take a deep breath, and get mathematical rather than hysterical.My links are exact and if you followed any of the different methods of deducing and finding out the exact year of the Great Flood, your scientific mind would be opened. Just use honesty as your quide.Lets take the easiest one first to get you on the base line. It takes maybe Grade Six math, and I know for sure all of you out there have grade six math abilities.The Lord said, Be fruitful and MULTIPLY, but all you have to do in this case is ADD. Just use simple addition from the exact years given in Genesis from one generation to the next. Come on folks you can do it, its not hard, dont fight it, be honest and do the math.Go to Genesis write down the years to the birth of the next generation.Adam to Seth 130 years from Creation
Seth to his son Enos 105 yearsStart your column of addition,And it turns into this exact dating of yearsForeFathersGraphicHow many years until the Flood ..... 1646 years. Thats your product RIGHT ? RIGHT ? The genesis or Biblical history says that exactly 1646 years after Creation there was a worldwide flood.Now dont throw a fit and start writing the words, myth, lies etc etc...Mathematically you cant deny the addition of these years. Its easy, its a basic, a cornerstone, its EXACT. Its not billions and trillions of years, changed with every new theory of a new theory of an old theory. Its a standard.The number of years is 1646.From there you will have to follow historical markers, to work backwards to find out the year of Creation. Oh my God (Jesus) that will take another skill called subtraction....... but you can do it if honest.After you admit this simple addition, or run away screaming or gnashing some teeth. When you settle down, or if you simply keep a scientific open mind, I shall prove that this 2348 year, is further proven by the Great Prophecy Marker exactly, and by Time itself.So just do the addition first, and be honest.(PS..I know your lives are on the line HERE evolutionists... but have integrity and just do the math)Afterwards, I shall have installment Proof NUMBER 2
and head that post accordingly.. Wait for it, do your homework for now and then youll be prepared for PROOF NUMBER 2.OCS ( abbreviatioons for Onward Christian Soldiers also known as Onward Christian Scientists)DavidEdited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

And after The SECOND Confirmation ProofWe shall go to the time, I mean seconds and weeks corelation again showing the absolute exactness of 2348 BC. This can be the
3rd Absolute Proof.....And then maybe we shall put them all together and give the mathematical DESIGN PROOF of History in the thousand year periods of the Lord. Im sorry, as Hes actually called the Lord of Lords, as many of you presently must have your own lord or lords. Anyway can I suggest to you after all these various mathematical exact confirmations, that Jesus is the ********. I know many of you will hate this, but sorry, a truth is a truth. If you differ so be it, your choice.Anyway, deal with ABSOLUTE PROOF ONE above...straight from Genesis.ATBIJ (Abbreviations for all the best in Jesus)DAVIDSo theres more bullets in the chambers and arrows in the quill and absolute mathematical proofs to absolutely confirm the **** of *****.
(Figure out the ****'s and you will have His Name, start figuring out mysteries.. OCS)

This is a rather mixed non-admin mode/admin mode message.You are giving a Biblical chronology of a scientifically dubious (to say the least) event, combined with some other blather. All of this seems to be irrelevant to any evidence that "the flood" happened.You were mighty close to a 24 hour suspension.So, why should the non-creationist side have a "belief" that the flood happened? We're talking worldly evidence, not that "the Bible said so".Minnemooseus/Adminnemooseus