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Author Topic:   What's the difference between Islam and Radical Islam?
Phat
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Message 3 of 154 (799306)
02-09-2017 3:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
02-08-2017 5:49 PM


Difference Defined
The best definition I could find came from a practicing Muslim.
quote:
...there is one fundamental difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam that overshadows everything else, the former accepts only the rulings of Quran and interprets them through Hadith, the latter accepts the teachings of Quran through the application of reason and conscience and does not consider Hadith as very important.
So in short:
Radical Islam = Quran + hadith
Moderaate Islam = Quran + reason + conscience

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Message 20 of 154 (801579)
03-08-2017 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Faith
03-08-2017 5:07 AM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
what good is an oath? People can lie....

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 82 of 154 (801937)
03-10-2017 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
03-10-2017 2:03 PM


The Way It Really Is
Faith writes:
it's all written down, it's been preached by imam after imam and yet westerners persist in believing they have no such motivations, they are just like us.
I have some internet friends from Sweden who are Islamic. We talk quite often. Omars father is an Imam. We message each other on facebook. This is a snippet from one of our brief conversations:
Phat writes:
: Do you know what propaganda is? I hear a lot of propaganda about Sweden...but because I know you, I dont believe any of it...
You are a confirmation to me that we all serve the same God
and the propaganda tells me that Sweden is being destablized by the Islamic population...yet I do not believe this
WED 2:15PM
Omar writes:
: Well, there might be some bad Muslims trying to ruin Sweden
But i don't think they have a chance
my point, Faith, is that I understand propaganda or potential propaganda...and it comes from the Left and the Right. And I know in my heart that when I talk with Omar he is showing me a clearer picture of how the Muslims in Sweden really are.
I have talked with many of his friends and family and have even seen pictures of them and their school. It is nothing like the Muslims portrayed in the videos you had about Sweden.
Here is Omar and his friends. Looks a lot like our kids.....
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 86 of 154 (801943)
03-10-2017 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
03-10-2017 2:41 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Faith writes:
Why do you ignore the actual history I've given, the acftual written intent of the leaders of Islam? Just out of sentimental blindness because of your friendship.
When it comes to the internet, or to any video or news show, all that I have to go on is my intuition. I realize that you are a believer. I read what you say both here and in your blogs. To be fair, I have never met you in person...nor have i met Omar or his friends or family in person. But we talk...justr as you and I talk.
Faith writes:
Perhaps Omar and his family will be among those who end up rejecting Islam. I hope so for their sake, but otherwise they are just among the millions who know the Caliphate is coming and that you will become Muslim too one way or another.
Is it possible that you are being deceived too? Can I suggest this without you calling me a leftist? After all, the enemy is crafty. He may be deceiving many of the Christians even as the Christians worry about the Muslims.
Here is Omar and his Father:
If I watch a video of a Trump rally, what am I to conclude about these people?
Watch this:
Unfiltered Voices From Donald Trump’s Crowds - The New York Times
As for Gods real name, do you honestly believe that if these people pray, God will ignore them simply because the name is not right?
God judges the intentions of the heart.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 90 of 154 (801947)
03-10-2017 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:03 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
I'm not saying don't have friendship with Muslims. I think it's nice that you do. But don't expect to get the truth about Islam from such a friendship.
Do you honestly think I will get the truth from Alex Jones?
Also did you watch the video I posted from the NY Times about unfiltered voices from a Trump Rally? What is your opinion of this bit of information? Are they deceiving us?
Unfiltered Voices From Donald Trump’s Crowds - The New York Times

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 91 of 154 (801948)
03-10-2017 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:09 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
If I accidently called you Peggy instead of Faith, would you be insulted?
Would the Creator of all seen and unseen be insulted?
Would those folks at the Trump Rally make it to heaven simply because they used the name of Jesus?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 96 of 154 (801954)
03-10-2017 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:15 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Keep in mind that I believe most of the same things you do about Jesus Christ, God, and Christianity. I have read lots of different opinions and beliefs. Granted I am more liberal than many in my church. I am, however, a critical thinker to a limited degree. I am wise enough, for example, to know that any judgement of our christianity from the folks here at EvC will not be based on the information,videos,tracts,sermons, or stated beliefs by us. They will form an opinion and a judgement of us based on what we say, how we act, and who we appear to them through the internet.
I know most at EvC WANT to be deceived about islam, which I have to take as spiritual deception to the max, but it's sad to think a Christian has the same attitude.
First of all, if everyone at EvC is so hopelessly deluded why do you even waste your time talking with them?
Second, what makes you think I am deluded? Does God ever show you anything? Do you think it is possible that He occasionally gives me wisdom also?
You are passionate about your beliefs---both on your blogs and here at EvC.
Do you believe in your heart that you are doing any good? Do you believe that you are doing as Jesus wants you to do?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 98 of 154 (801957)
03-10-2017 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:21 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Faith writes:
But address the most telling point: Islam teaches that "Allah has no Son" and if you are a Christian I don't see how you can pretend there's any similarity with Christianity because of that alone. There are plenty of other obvious dissimilarities if you had any interest in learning them instead of believing in a friendship instead of God's word.
As a matter of fact, I have an Islamic friend here in town...Tamer. He and I go play pool occasionally. I have brought up many of the points concerning his religion and my own. We are able to discuss them on friendly terms. He receives me as a friend. I occasionally share a bit of Gods word with him.
Allow me to share some with you, if i may.
Matthew 10:40ESV writes:
Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me
Making friends is the first part. Strangers on the internet will not receive you. Jesus is telling His Disciples that if they are received by the host families, Jesus also will be received and also His Father.
If you continually argue with people and hurl insults at them for rejecting your truth, they will neither receive you or the one who sent you.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 101 of 154 (801960)
03-10-2017 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:29 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
The reason you are deluded is in what you actually said to your Muslim friends: that they have the same God you have. They don't.
Two points.
1) How would YOU do it? Would they receive you?
2) Is our God so authoritarian so as to simply allow these people to go to hell? Would not them receiving us first as friends open a door, perhaps...for Jesus to reach them?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 104 of 154 (801963)
03-10-2017 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:37 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
I give up. Believe whatever nonsense you want.
And yet you never give up. You actually drive more people away from Jesus than those you bring closer to Him.
Im not your judge, however.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 106 of 154 (801965)
03-10-2017 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by frako
03-10-2017 3:42 PM


Minor Discrepancies
It is true there are some major differences in doctrines. Doctrines and books, however, are not as powerful as human relationships. We can either learn to get along or we can have wars that wipe millions out.
Which way do you believe is the wisest?
Which way would Jesus advocate?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 110 of 154 (801970)
03-10-2017 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:48 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
The problem is you give them no alternative.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 114 of 154 (801976)
03-10-2017 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
03-10-2017 4:19 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
How many people do you know personally? Not us on the internet...I mean at your church? How many have you helped? You can attack me all you like. Why not ask Jesus what to say before you type it?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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