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Author Topic:   What's the difference between Islam and Radical Islam?
Faith 
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Message 61 of 154 (801690)
03-09-2017 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by PaulK
03-09-2017 1:42 AM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
There were no "Palestinians" in Palestine before the Jews started settling there. There were scattered nomads, some settled Arabs, and some Jews, there were no "Palestinians." When Mark Twain visited the area in the late 19th century he reported it as essentially a wilderness with few living there. It had no national identity under the Ottomans, it had no ethnic population of its own.
The Arab support of Hitler has continued to the present.
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Faith 
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Message 63 of 154 (801693)
03-09-2017 3:35 AM
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03-09-2017 3:25 AM


Re: Islam history; Muslim supports terrorism; how to vet refugees
The spin is yours. You've bought the lies. The people living there were few and far between and it was not a national entity, it was wild land with scattered settlements.
Hitler was popular at the time and now as well. NOT with all of the Arab or Middle Eastern world, but a lot of it. Wikipedia covers this.
Israel hasn't always done the right thing but most of their actions against the "Palestinians" have been defensive. They fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel. Before the wall was built suicide bombers were a common event, destroying busses, cars, businesses, neighborhoods.
The Godzilla attack was specifically an idea of David Horowitz who applied it to a Democrat and a Republican arguing, the Democrat using the PC arsenal against his opponent, the way a hellfire and brimstone preacher would use a moralistic denunciation, a form of soul murder (that's my term); against what he called "Bambi" his idea of a Republican who doesn't know how to fight like the Left. This is what Percy did to me in his scathing post. It's hard to recover from that kind of attack. You can hear Horowitz's view of it starting at 8:20 on the video in the OP of the Totalitarian thread.
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Message 66 of 154 (801745)
03-09-2017 12:00 PM
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03-09-2017 11:49 AM


Re: Faith doesn't know basic WW2 history.
Funny then that Muslims themselves talk about reestablishing the Caliphate, preach about it in Europe on one of the videos I linked, threatning tht Europe will become part of it.; Funny how the 1400 year domination of most of Europe and the Middle East is referred to as the Caliphate.

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Message 71 of 154 (801810)
03-09-2017 6:03 PM
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03-09-2017 5:30 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Is'am's motivations derive completely from their sacred writings. They are not reduceable to any of the usual explanations.

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Message 74 of 154 (801862)
03-10-2017 3:17 AM
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03-09-2017 6:17 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
And that's not being a dupe and a patsy?

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Message 81 of 154 (801934)
03-10-2017 2:03 PM
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03-10-2017 11:05 AM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Muslims' motivations are pretty m;uch the same as anybody else's
The amazing western blindness about what Islam is and does and has always done historically, and plans to do again when they get the chance, is staggering. They murdered 270,000,000* nonMuslims (Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus) over their 1400 year Caliphate that ended in 1924. They still aim to revive their Caliphate, whether by the sword or by immigration and population growth, which includes rape as a method of growing the population, and it's all written down, it's been preached by imam after imam and yet westerners persist in believing they have no such motivations, they are just like us. They point to present apparent peacefulness wherever it seems to exist as some kind of evidence, which is evidence of nothing except that the current time is not a good time to try to press for the Caliphate. They believe that time will come though, and actually it appears to be on the brink in Europe even now, judging by their openness there about such plans (I'll post the video again if it would help, where imams and other Muslim leaders carry on about destroying Europe and bringing it under the Caliphate.)
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* That number I've heard in more than one place. Here's another estimate from American Thinker: The Greatest Murder Machine in History:
Though the numbers are not clear, what is obvious is that Islam is the greatest murder machine in history bar none, possibly exceeding 250 million dead. Possibly one-third to one-half or more of all those killed by war or slavery in history can be traced to Islam; and this is just a cursory examination.
And the dead are only some of the victims, there are also the slaves and the genitally mutilated women and the forced harems and the dhimmis ....
The article covers a lot of history. But westerners just don't want to know these things, right? They prefer to believe Islam is no different from any other religion.
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Faith 
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Message 83 of 154 (801939)
03-10-2017 2:41 PM
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03-10-2017 2:33 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Sigh.
The main thing: "Allah" is not the name of God if you are a Christian, and you are extremely deceived to believe that. The Bible gives us God's name and it is NOT "Allah." Phat, you are trusting people who either don't know their own history or are deceiving you even in their very nice way. Why do you ignore the actual history I've given, the acftual written intent of the leaders of Islam? Just out of sentimental blindness because of your friendship. Perhaps Omar and his family will be among those who end up rejecting Islam. I hope so for their sake, but otherwise they are just among the millions who know the Caliphate is coming and that you will become Muslim too one way or another.
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Faith 
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Message 85 of 154 (801942)
03-10-2017 2:50 PM
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03-10-2017 2:43 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
Sure you can lie and add to the deception. You can become a Muslim if you want, save them the trouble of forcing it on you or beheading you.
The Roman Catholic Church murdered about 67 million in their 600-year history of the Inquisition, 50 million of them Bible-believing Christians, the rest Jews, Muslims and others. A poor showing compared to Islam's record which is over four times that number.
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Faith 
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Message 87 of 154 (801944)
03-10-2017 3:03 PM
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03-10-2017 2:52 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
If I c all you a leftist I mean you are espousing leftist views which a lot do who don't know it.
Phat, it's hard to believe anyone could read the evidence I've given and continue to be deceived but THAT is where the devil works strongest, using feelings against facts. I've read a LOT about Islam over the last couple of decades. I have two copies of the Koran, though I must admit I find it too odious to read carefully. Are you claiming every book and internet source I've read is lying? I have about ten books on the subject on my bookshelves. all by experts on Islam, which is not to mention the many many online sources including those by experts such as Bill Warner and others I've also heard and read, there is no doubt it is you who are deceived. Also, most preachers I'm aware of preach a lot against believing your own intuition, especially when there is so much hard evidence against you, but primarily the Bible itself. God's Name is NOT "Allah," the Muslim God is NOT the Christian God.; Remember they strenuously preach that "Allah has no Son." Do you believe Jesus Christ is God or not?.
If you belong to a liberal church of course, you may be getting lots of deception from the pulpit about Islam.
I'm not saying don't have friendship with Muslims. I think it's nice that you do. But don't expect to get the truth about Islam from such a friendship.
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Faith 
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Message 89 of 154 (801946)
03-10-2017 3:09 PM
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03-10-2017 3:07 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Sorry, Allah is considered to be God's actual name. Stop reading the liars for a change.
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Faith 
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Message 92 of 154 (801949)
03-10-2017 3:15 PM
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03-10-2017 3:12 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
I said nothing about Alex Jones. Why are you lying about that? Alex Jones has lots of strange ideas about religion. Somebody else posted something by JOnes, I didn't watch it. I know most at EvC WANT to be deceived about islam, which I have to take as spiritual deception to the max, but it's sad to think a Christian has the same attitude.
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Faith 
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Message 94 of 154 (801952)
03-10-2017 3:20 PM
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03-10-2017 3:15 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
dup
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Faith 
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Message 95 of 154 (801953)
03-10-2017 3:21 PM
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03-10-2017 3:15 PM


Re: The Way It Really Is
Oh wow. God's Name is sacred in the context of the Bible, you don't fool around with it. That's why the Jews won't even write out the word "God," but always write it with a hyphen.
But address the most telling point: Islam teaches that "Allah has no Son" and if you are a Christian I don't see how you can pretend there's any similarity with Christianity because of that alone. There are plenty of other obvious dissimilarities if you had any interest in learning them instead of believing in a friendship instead of God's word.
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Faith 
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Message 97 of 154 (801955)
03-10-2017 3:29 PM
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Re: The Way It Really Is
Yes.
The reason you are deluded is in what you actually said to your Muslim friends: that they have the same God you have. They don't.

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Faith 
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Message 100 of 154 (801959)
03-10-2017 3:36 PM
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03-10-2017 3:34 PM


Re: Radical Islam - a threat to our way of life?
I'm sorry, I can't even get through one of your posts. They make no sense to me.

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