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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3944 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Maybe close to a bare link, but here it is:
http://scienceblogs.com/.../11/calling-out-the-koch-brothers
quote: quote: See the cite for more details. Now to see what comes of this. Any Republicans going to join in? MooseProfessor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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Yea but i still don't think anything will be done until something catastrophic happens(to a powerfull white country). And there is nothing that can be done in the short term, so not to sound melodramatic but the end is nigh.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Goodness gracious me. Only 19 US Senators? Out of 100? For such a powerful country? It doesn't bode well for the future of humanity.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
I always thought it odd that Sanders was expected to beat Hillary in North Dakota (which he did by over 30 points on the final day of voting on June 7 - minus the D.C. vote), when he was for banning fracking.
He was vocal in debates (like the Michigan debate) about it too. He still won Montana and North Dakota on the final day of voting (and if that isn't ironic enough, he ended up loosing California - where fracking is extremely unpopular among Democratic party voters) when he lost the other 4 contests. Hillary wasn't too eager to make an issue of his opposition though (because she needed Democratic voters in the big coastal states of the east and west), so that explains it. Wind and Solar are the whole ballgame among the future Democratic party?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I always thought it odd that Sanders was expected to beat Hillary in North Dakota (which he did by over 30 points on the final day of voting on June 7 - minus the D.C. vote), when he was for banning fracking. Apparently, in ND, fracking is not the biggest issue. Beyond the fracking stuff, weren't the demographics in ND pretty similar to what we found in most of the states that turned out to be Sanders landslides? About fracking in ND, the cheap price of gasoline has pretty much reduced the fracking economy to a naught point diddly squat. That might have a lot to do with things. In North Dakota's oil patch, a humbling comedown
quote: Maybe the minimum wage, for example, is more important to the vast number of folks in ND who have not yet beat feet out of that wasteland. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
You have to cite an article that mentioned the the Sheister I mean Salvation Army.
Make me barf. Yick. But interesting article. However. The Bakken fields are the cheapest to extract, plus the infrastructure has already been built for the wells. The banning of fracked oil would be felt especially since oil is back up to $50 per barrel. Best to just focus on building new power plants, and consumer solar panels, batteries, etc. Solar and wind can carry their own weight, without allowing a "these alternative sources of energy are only economically viable with extreme levels of government interference" gun to be pointed at them. Environmental policy is screwed with misguided (very bad) political policy being constantly pushed.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Environmental policy is screwed with misguided (very bad) political policy being constantly pushed. Banning fracking may be a bad policy. But the popularity of banning fracking as a policy is compared to the adoption policies pursued by the opposing party. Using my state as an example of a state in which the republicans dominate state level politics, the adoption policies appear to be enormous, and risky concessions to the industry regarding negotiating for rights with land owners, control of emissions and waste water, environmental oversight, and removal of any attempt ability for localities to pass ordinances protecting their citizens. Fracking has the potential for providing an enormous benefit along with an enormous carbon footprint. Yet in NC policy is set by folks who will never acknowledge AGW until we get some beach front property here in Durham. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
quote: It is a bad strategy because the policy can never be implemented. It just confuses the issue (in so many ways)when government interferes to ban energy sources. Just support wind and solar (never happened yet). Put up (the hundreds of billions of $$$ over the next few years) or shut up. That's my message to the government decision makers and those who want to become members of the policy making bodies.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Goodness gracious me. Only 19 US Senators? Out of 100? For such a powerful country? It doesn't bode well for the future of humanity. 19 out of the 44 senators who have any likelihood of not going along with the Koch brothers. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
But will the Koch brothers object to the federal government building a lot of solar-power plants?
A massive wind farms investment by the federal government? Nobody has proposed it. So we don't know. We know that they don't want energy regulations, taxes, and price increases. Then again, neither does the public. The environmental movement has caused every green idea to be stained with the(green slime?) thought of higher prices and economic misery (nightmares of not being able to make the utility payments, powering up a car, home foreclosures, price inflation, job losses, etc.). The Koch brothers are successful because of the green slime effect the environmental movement has allowed wind and solar (with everything else green) to be painted with. Damaged goods need repairs, not more of the same.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But will the Koch brothers object to the federal government building a lot of solar-power plants? Sigh. Let's examine their record on this subject. Opinion | The Koch Attack on Solar Energy - The New York Times Can the Koch Brothers Block the Sun? An Experiment in Iowa - WhoWhatWhy Koch Brothers Backing Misleading Anti-Solar Campaign in Florida CONTRARY BRIN: Why are the Koch brothers opposing solar energy? The Koch brothers and large utilities have allied to reverse state policies that favor renewable energy. Environmentalists are pushing back, but the fight is spreading and intensifying.
quote: My guess. No, the Koch brothers would not be in favor of a federal government backed plan to displace fossil fuels. But I am sure you will harbor whatever doubts about that that you have. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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So im guessing temperatures up to 35 degrees Celsius in Siberia where it usually ranges form 10 degrees to 17, are nothing to worry about. Its just god lighting a fire under the Russians for not believing in him.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that. |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
it seems the Republicans will latch on to anything to push their agenda. Even poorly written and researched articles form the Daily Mail. There is almost nothing in the article that supports the conclusions the author wants to reach. Their "whistleblower" doesn't even support their conclusions.
Here are a couple good analyses of the story and the facts and data behind it.NOAA Scientists Falsely Accused of Manipulating Climate Change Data | Snopes.com
Factcheck: Mail on Sunday's 'astonishing evidence' about global temperature rise - Carbon Brief The main takeaway is this.
quote: Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. |
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