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RAZD Member (Idle past 1730 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The other thing making the rounds (here by DailyKos) is the claim that the Russian Mob bailed him out from his last bankruptcy ...
quote: Snopes has this to say
quote: So the Snopes information does not say that the connection to the Russian mob is false, just that he did not get it directly from the Russian government. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 23188 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
I'd like to keep this thread focused on established facts about the Trump presidency rather than on insinuation and innuendo. When news reaches the New York Times or the Washington Post or the Chicago Tribune or the Los Angeles Times or CNN or an outlet of similar quality, then it's appropriate for discussion in this thread. In other words, l'd like discussion to be about what we know is true rather than about what may or may not be true. I'd like to avoid this becoming a thread about digging for dirt on Trump.
Trump held a press conference a couple days ago, there's a lot of material there for discussion. Trump called CNN "fake news," he made the news media the story over his possible peccadillos, he said the American people don't care about his tax returns, and he was just generally very combative. The news media is in an uproar about how to cover this unprecedented style of presidency. The Washington Post has begun a weekly What Trump Got Wrong on Twitter This Week column. The New York Times yesterday put together a video of fact checks on the Trump press conference. And last night Trump lashed out at Hillary Clinton again on Twitter, calling her "Guilty as hell." Whatever side of the political divide one is on, there can be no argument that Trump will be, indeed already is in these days before the inauguration, a president wholly unlike any we've had before. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1730 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The information on Trumps financial ties to russians was put out by ABC.
The other main source is the Financial Times Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 23188 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
RAZD writes: The information on Trumps financial ties to russians was put out by ABC. The other main source is the Financial Times Those sources are fine, but the sources you cited and quoted from in your Message 106 were Daily Kos and Snopes. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Typo.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Those sources are fine, but the sources you cited and quoted from in your Message 106 were Daily Kos and Snopes. To be fair, RAZD's message included Snopes heavily quoting and analyzing an ABC news article. Are you really questioning the reliability of Snopes to do such a thing? Should RAZD have gone to the trouble of finding the actual ABC News article? Not trying to be combative. Just getting your take. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Is discussion about Trump's immediate advisors and cabinet nominees on topic or off for this thread?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Percy Member Posts: 23188 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Responding to your last two messages, I want to avoid speculative material. The topic is otherwise fairly inclusive but focused on what is known. That would include anything having to do with the Trump presidency, meaning the entire executive branch, Trump's dealings with Congress, with international affairs, with the military, etc.
Since I didn't see the logic myself and since his message contained no explanation, RAZD would have to describe, hopefully in some other thread, how Snopes quoting ABC ties into his message's suggestion that Trump may have been bailed out by the Russian mob. --Percy
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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"Pizzagate" is certainly more obviously false than these rumours about Trump. Those, at least, fit in with the way that the Russians are known to have operated, and are not so far out of character for Trump. Surely the "secret tunnels" were a giveaway (at least to anyone who remembers the ridiculous extremes of the Satanic Ritual abuse panic of the 1980s) The problem is that we do have a huge problem with fake news... the even bigger problem is that a large portion of all media is to some extent fake news. Not just smaller outlets that cater to the left or right, but even mainstream media outlets. Pizzagate has no real credibility. But then neither does this Russian hacking narrative; not that it would matter either way. Even supposing Russian hackers did hack Hillary Clinton's email does not deflect that it was still Clinton harboring that material on unsecure servers. What a sleight of hand! By this logic Wikileaks is guilty of treason, not the people who actually pass the information. Have you ever seen a more obvious diversionary tactic to shift the blame? "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Even supposing Russian hackers did hack Hillary Clinton's email does not deflect that it was still Clinton harboring that material on unsecure servers. Have you been asleep for the past few months? Russians did not hack Clinton's email. No-one hacked Clinton's email.
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Percy Member Posts: 23188 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
In a Saturday evening interveiw with The Washington Post Trump promised to replace Obamacare with "insurance for everybody' (The New York Times). It would be "in a much simplified form - much less expensive and much better." Details won't be made available until confirmation of Tom Price to be secretary of Health and Human Services.
Sans details this sounds wonderful, much better than Obamacare, but we await the details. Universal health care seems a most un-Republican position. I would have thought the Republican position to be, "You get the insurance you can afford to pay for - it isn't the government's responsibility to pay for your healthcare." I thought the main Republican objection to Obamacare was that it forced people to either purchase insurance or pay a penalty through their income tax, and that the secondary objection was to the government provided subsidies to those who couldn't afford to pay full price. How does Trump think he will get universal health care past a Republican congress? --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1730 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
In a Saturday evening interveiw with The Washington Post Trump promised ... Worthless baiting.
... Details won't be made available until confirmation of Tom Price to be secretary of Health and Human Services. Approve him and then see what you get. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1829 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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And behold, it shall come to pass that free Trump health care shall fall from
heaven like mana. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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In a Saturday evening interveiw with The Washington Post Trump promised ...
Worthless baiting.
... Details won't be made available until confirmation of Tom Price to be secretary of Health and Human Services. Approve him and then see what you get. Ooooh, ooooh, I know this one......a tax cut for the wealthy, well, the ones who pay taxes.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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ramoss Member (Idle past 937 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
It's vapor ware, for now. Trump I suspect will talk a great deal, won't deliver, and hopefully won't ruin things too much.
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Modulous Member (Idle past 309 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
It's vapor ware, for now. Trump I suspect will talk a great deal, won't deliver, and hopefully won't ruin things too much.
He's not the legislature, so he doesn't need to deliver anything but a signature. He could opt to opine to, strong arm or otherwise persuade the legislature to deliver something.
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