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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design just a question for evolutionists
Taq
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Message 133 of 146 (796770)
01-04-2017 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Genomicus
11-02-2016 9:17 PM


Re: Life Looks Engineered
Genomicus writes:
No, my comment about atomic theory was in response to Taq's apparent surprise that the surfaces of molecular machine components are ball-and-stick-ish. Like duh, what did he/she/it expect? We're dealing with the nano-meter scale here.
Although Genomicus may not respond or be aware of this response, the argument itself is worth pushing forward.
The argument is that biology "looks" designed because it "looks" like machines and codes. That simply isn't true. Here is ATP synthase, the molecule we were discussing earlier:
If you made a 3D model of that molecule, blew it up to human scale, and placed it on the sidewalk, what would people say as they walked by it? Would they say, "Oh, look at the machine!"? No. They wouldn't. No one would. It doesn't look like a machine.
That pretty much ends the ID argument right there.
We could also look at DNA. Here it is:
If we placed that on a sidewalk, would someone walking by say, "Oh look, there's a code!"? No. They wouldn't.
The entire ID argument appears to be stretches of imagination towards a conclusion they have already drawn.

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Message 143 of 146 (796882)
01-06-2017 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by mike the wiz
01-05-2017 5:38 AM


Re: Life Looks Engineered
mike the wiz writes:
I don't say biology "looks" designed, my argument specifically is that biology has all of the elements/feature of design . . .
That seems to be a distinction without a difference. What is different between "looks designed" and "has all of the elements/features of design"?
Also, biology does not have all of the features of design. First, things designed by an intelligence do no fall into a nested hierarchy. Biology does. Second, designs serve a function needed by a designer. Life doesn't. Life's only function is to replicate.
mike the wiz writes:
I've also explained to you that on a micro-level it is not what something looks like that matters, but correct function.
How do you determine what the "correct function" is?
We are not arguing appearance, we are arguing the actual features of design which are identical, such as specified complexity, contingency planning, information/density, correct materials. etc..
How did you determine that these features can only come from design?

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