Election Rigging

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It is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

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You'd be the President. There's no need for you to do anything. Naturally, by not doing anything Congress would need, what is it, a 2/3 majority to get anything past your refusal to sign it into law?

Unless of course, those specific things are planned amongst themselves, in secret, to break the law or at least moral norms. Such as price fixing, for example. It's not the general, it's the specific. Are they hatching plans with one another to avoid legal ramifications of criminal or quasi-criminal acts? If so, that's a conspiracy. Even if we know they are 'up to something dodgy' the specific agreements and deals are conspiracies.I'm not sure if this was an intentional joke, by the way. But breathing air is respiring. Respiring together as one is con-spiring. Hence the word. Unless they make group plans amongst one another that are hatched in secret and are harmful to society. It's almost as if they are working together, behind closed doors, to develop tactics to inhibit the average American from such considerations....almost like they were conspiring.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

Right they know in general dodgy things are happening, but they are blind to the specifics, not just the stuff you mentioned because that's general too, and I'm surprised Americans don't know about them if that's the case. On the contrary, I agreed they do. But the specifics are the actual secret deals being made which benefit some, while harming many. Those are conspiracies by any reasonable definition.

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conspiracy
kənˈspɪrəsi/
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noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies

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a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

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A conspiracy could be open I suppose, but your primary angle was 'but people know dodgy things are going on so its not a conspiracy. The founding fathers probably conspired to get those laws passed, but the laws are not themselves conspiracies. Don't be silly. No. But I'm not arguing that slavery is a conspiracy. There are people today who are conspiring to trade slaves, however. The conspiracies would be the specific plans, not the general effect. No, and nor is it a conspiracy. But when they get together to conspire to fix prices, that is. Even though we know price fixing happens.People are found guilty of conspiring to commit all manner of crimes we know actually do happen. It's not the crime that makes it a conspiracy its a specific plan by specific people to carry out those crimes that are the conspiracies. Murder is killing someone. Murder is general. Sometimes more than one person plans to kill someone. A specific plan between two or more people to kill someone would be a conspiracy to commit murder.

That wasn't the disagreement. The disagreement was whether the specific plans between groups of people made in secret constitute conspiracies. Well...no, conspiracies can be thwarted, or reconsidered, or bottled out of. Conspiracies are the plans, not the actions. Election rigging is rigging an election.Making a plan with other people to rig an election is a conspiracy. No, one is an act, the other is a plan to act made by a group of people, usually in secret.That people commit the act, is not a conspiracy.
The plans people come up with to act as a team to commit the act, are conspiracies.So no, they aren't the same. One is a general crime, the other is a particular plan by more than one person to commit a crime.It's the difference between planning to go to the cinema with your friends, and actually going to the cinema with your friends. They are quite different things.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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