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nano
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Message 305 of 342 (793418)
10-28-2016 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Tangle
10-26-2016 5:54 PM


Tangle writes:
Nope, the first thing is that we don't understand the first thing about what something and nothing are.
Nice Red Herring, but I'm not biting. You might want to start your own thread though.

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Message 306 of 342 (793419)
10-28-2016 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Percy
10-27-2016 7:29 AM


Percy writes:
This has already been explained in this thread, but may as well do it again.
You are presenting an Argument from Ignorance and it is a logical fallacy. It is especially wrong in this case where I have shown an explanation to be logically impossible.

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Message 307 of 342 (793421)
10-28-2016 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by vimesey
10-27-2016 9:14 AM


vimesey writes:
You can say it can't be explained using the precepts of logic which philosophers have developed over a few centuries. However, unless you can do the math...
You can't explain something that has always existed and has no beginning. Likewise, you can't explain something that came from absolutely nothing (where by definition there is no math).

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Message 308 of 342 (793422)
10-28-2016 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by New Cat's Eye
10-27-2016 9:57 AM


Cat Sci writes:
You are wrong about those logical fallacies.
Honestly you are wrong in every one of your assertions. Please look again and give it more thought.

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Message 309 of 342 (793423)
10-28-2016 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by 1.61803
10-27-2016 10:47 AM


1.61803 writes:
Your right if you mean to say that no one can explain where the laws of physics came from.
Yes, as has been discussed previously in this thread, the underlying physical laws of the universe could be the first thing. My proof still stands no matter what the first thing is.

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Message 312 of 342 (793431)
10-28-2016 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by RAZD
10-28-2016 4:16 PM


Its important because it is not generally recognized. Most people don't think about it, yet it is logically obvious. Thank you for calling my proof statement a tautology because it is true by necessity and by its logical form.
As I have stated, when I say "universe" I mean:
universe = multiverse = all of existence
The First Thing is the first thing to exist anywhere, taking into account all of existence and not just this universe.

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Message 314 of 342 (793438)
10-29-2016 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 310 by Percy
10-28-2016 3:52 PM


Percy writes:
I don't think you know what Argument from Ignorance fallacy is. What you referred to as saying, "We don't know what we don't know" (I'd state it differently, but we'll use yours for now) is a statement concerning ignorance. It is not the Argument from Ignorance fallacy.
False. You are presenting an unknown future discovery to make your argument. It is in fact an Argument from Ignorance.
You are assuming that something cannot come from nothing. We already know this isn't true.
False. Your nothing is a quantum nothing. If you have been paying attention you know I am referring to an absolute nothing. I have called it the null set.
I don't see the point of repeating, "I've proved it, I've proved it, I've proved it, can't you see I've proved it," instead of discussing the issues people have raised with your "proof".
False. I am discussing issues as they are raised and offering reminders of what has already been discussed.

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Message 315 of 342 (793439)
10-29-2016 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 313 by Tangle
10-28-2016 5:29 PM


Tangle writes:
What if the first thing was nothing?
A confusion of terms and another red herring.

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Message 321 of 342 (835046)
06-16-2018 5:32 PM


Very interesting interview with Leonard Mlodinow on "Why Is There Anything At All?" It gets good at
https://youtu.be/tzsE6xmfpTQ?t=6m7s
Highlights:
7:34 - "Physicists can't go beyond that"
8:10 - "Physics by definition can't go beyond that"
8:57 - "I don't require that physics or science explains everything. It's OK that there are things that aren't explained by it that we have to think about in other ways"

  
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Message 322 of 342 (835097)
06-17-2018 6:49 PM


Another very interesting interview on "Why is there Something rather than Nothing?". This time with Steven Weinberg.
"Steven Weinberg is an American theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate in Physics for his contributions to the unification of the weak force and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles."
At 22:24 he says "We will never have an answer."
https://youtu.be/okiDJOK3hNU?t=22m24s

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Message 330 of 342 (839789)
09-16-2018 7:08 AM


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Message 331 of 342 (843267)
11-15-2018 3:36 PM


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Message 332 of 342 (864578)
10-13-2019 8:31 AM


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Message 337 of 342 (874276)
03-28-2020 8:51 AM


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