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Author Topic:   The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock
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Message 1131 of 1257 (790882)
09-07-2016 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1129 by Faith
09-07-2016 10:12 AM


Re: exposed strata, cliffs, just because
Faith writes:
Just cuz I love them, some pictures of light-colored cliffs from a distance, all similar in form to the chalk cliffs of Dover.
But of course reality shows that none of the other pictures are similar to the chalk deposits. Chalk is quite different than other light colored minerals and believe it or not conventional geology actually knows how the different minerals get formed.
One very notable difference is that you do not see signs of bedding or layering in the chalk deposit except for the pieces of flint found in the upper portions. Interestingly the conventional theories also explain one way the flint nodules might get formed and why they are found embedded in chalk deposits.
From Wikipedia:
quote:
The exact mode of formation of flint is not yet clear but it is thought that it occurs as a result of chemical changes in compressed sedimentary rock formations, during the process of diagenesis. One hypothesis is that a gelatinous material fills cavities in the sediment, such as holes bored by crustaceans or molluscs and that this becomes silicified. This hypothesis certainly explains the complex shapes of flint nodules that are found. The source of dissolved silica in the porous media could be the spicules of silicious sponges.[3] Certain types of flint, such as that from the south coast of England, contain trapped fossilised marine flora. Pieces of coral and vegetation have been found preserved like amber inside the flint. Thin slices of the stone often reveal this effect.
Puzzling giant flint formations known as paramoudra and flint circles are found around Europe but especially in Norfolk, England on the beaches at Beeston Bump and West Runton.[5]
Flint sometimes occurs in large flint fields in Jurassic or Cretaceous beds, for example in Europe.
and from West Sussex Geology
quote:
The formation of flint is a complex process which began in the chalk seas millions of years ago and is, summarised below:
Organisms such as sponges (on the macro scale) and radiolaria/diatoms (on the micro scale) use silica from sea water to manufacture the biogenic opal which forms their skeletons. When the organisms die and the organic parts decay the microscopic silica is scattered on the sea bed and becomes incorporated in the accumulating sediment.
At depths of 1 to 5m within this sediment, the biogenic opal breaks down, enriching the water between the sediment particles (sediment pore water) with silica.
At sediment depths of less than 10m, there is an oxic-anoxic boundary where hydrogen sulphide rising from the decomposing organic material within the sediment diffuses upwards meets oxygen diffusing downwards from the water column above. At this interface, the hydrogen sulphide is oxidised to sulphate with hydrogen ions as a by-product. The hydrogen ions lower the local pH, dissolving the chalk and thereby increasing the concentration of carbonate ions. These act as a seeding agent for the precipitation of silica.
Silica precipitates by the molecule-by-molecule replacement of chalk. The silica is initially in the form of crystalline opal but gradually transforms to quartz (flint) during later burial and with time.
The chalk sea bed is deeply burrowed by many different organisms, such as shells, echinoids and worms etc. Some of these burrows are quite deep or branching, or have open living spaces. The burrows fill with sediment after the organism has died, this is slightly different material from the sediment around it. These filled burrows act as preferential pathways (conduits) for the chemical reactions to occur. Flint formed within these old burrows often has a nodular shape which reflects the whole, or part of, overgrown remnants of such burrow systems.
There are two possible explanations for why flint forms in bands or layers. Firstly because chalk sedimentation occurs in cycles and secondly because the process above exhausts the silica within a given depth of sediment and flint formation can only recommence when there is enough silica to start the process again.
AbE:
There is another very important point irrefutably demonstrated by the pictures Faith was nice enough to find and post and that is the clear evidence that processes were local and not global. The materials in geological columns vary from location to location and demonstrate clearly different processes and environments over time and over distance. They show examples of chalk deposits and sand stone and igneous materials and mudstone and also variations between marine and terrestrial deposits that are stacked vertically.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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Message 1148 of 1257 (791066)
09-09-2016 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1147 by edge
09-09-2016 6:24 PM


Re: The Very Slow Burying of a Chunk of Lead
edge writes:
Wulfenite!
It isn't easy being orange...

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Message 1180 of 1257 (791593)
09-17-2016 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1179 by ringo
09-17-2016 11:52 AM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
ringo writes:
How would One Giant Flood cause a lot of layers of the same material and the same thickness? Wouldn't you expect One Giant Layer?
One giant layer with all the crap mixed up together.

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Message 1233 of 1257 (791914)
09-26-2016 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1232 by Taq
09-26-2016 5:32 PM


Re: Martian strata not caused by water but by volcano
And if you look at other maps from the same periods you find fast marshes extending up through Oklahoma to Pennsylvania.

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Message 1243 of 1257 (792117)
10-04-2016 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1241 by Coyote
10-03-2016 9:44 PM


just one word
Mr. McGuire: I just want to say one word to you. Just one word.
Benjamin: Yes, sir.
Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?
Benjamin: Yes, I am.
Mr. McGuire: Plastics.

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Message 1252 of 1257 (792379)
10-08-2016 9:34 AM


Summation.
The topic was "The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock " which is simply an absurdity from every possible angle.
First, there is no such thing as a "Geological Timescale". There is TIME. There is Geology. They are two entirely different things. Time seems to be one of the properties of space itself.
Second, reality is far more than just stacks of rocks. The rocks themselves have unique properties and characteristics that are in turn evidence of the actual processes and materials that produced them. Those processes and materials are in evidence today.
Third, many rock samples are made from a conglomerate of materials that must have existed as rocks that were over time weathered and eroded into smaller particles before being incorporated in the current format.
Fourth, there are also biological samples included within the rocks themselves. Those samples had to have been incorporated into the rock BEFORE it became a rock. Since they are examples of once living critters those critters must have been living at or near the surface or in the water at a time BEFORE the the rock became a rock.
Fifth, the biological samples are found in ordered vertical states; humans and dinosaurs are never found together in the same rocks.
Sixth, the concept of biological evolution over long periods of time with the same geological processes seen and known today adequately explains the evidence found in reality.
Seventh, no other explanation has ever adequately explained the evidence found in reality.

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