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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hi Stile:
I do intend to get back to this; just needed a break.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Pressie doesn't seem to ever bother to read earlier posts to find out what anything means that he just happens to run across. The chunk of lead was a device Stile came up with to solve a problem I was objecting to about fossils. See Message 996
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Some creationists believe the solar system was involved in the Flood scenario in various ways; for instance meteor impacts are considered to have been part of the Flood period on earth, and throughout the solar system as well, accounting for all those craters on the moon and other planets.
The strata on Mars don't look much like those on Earth, however.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How things occur today isn't a very reliable clue to how they occurred in the past, during the Flood, or before the Flood.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What is this absurd idea you have that every single detail of every event has to actually BE in the Bible to be authentic? There are lots of reasonable possibilities for what happened in the Flood that aren't mentioned in the Bible, but are perfectly consistent with what IS in the Bible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know if Mars was flooded, but if it was, the flood wasn't much like the Flood of Noah, judging by the very different terrain it left.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Interpreting the Bible is not adding to the Bible
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Okay, so I was wrong. How do you know what interpretation of the Bible is correct? And please, don't just say 'it's obvious'. In the case of interpreting what the Flood would have done I don't think we can KNOW any of it is correct, we can only suggest what seems plausible, and of course we have to include what science says about it even if to you it seems we don't. Physical facts anyway, not the interpretive baggage of dating and mentally constructed ancient landscapes. There are things about the physical world that you guys DO know that have to be taken into account, but your unprovable interpretations we do not have to take as gospel. {I realize that this kind of interpretation should be distinguished from interpreting the meaning of passages in the Bible though, and for that I rely on the consensus of a whole bunch of theologians and Bible teachers both ancient and modern, and even then I have to trust my own judgment about who are the best. But if you are a believer, and you are scared to death of imposing your own prejudices on the Bible, you trust that God will guide you.) Edited by Admin, : Fix quote.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
n the case of interpreting what the Flood would have done I don't think we can KNOW any of it is correct, we can only suggest what seems plausible, and of course we have to include what science says about it even if to you it seems we don't. So, then, it is possible that you are wrong. I mean, you admit that you don't really KNOW about the flood. That's not QUITE what I said. I can't know with certainty anything that depends on my own thinking about HOW it happened, anything the Bible doesn't reveal about it that is, but I certainly DO know that there was a worldwide Flood, yes I have no doubt about that despite those who interpret the Bible to mean it wasn't worldwide; and I am 99% sure it occurred about 4500 years ago. The rest of your post is too hard to sort out. I say I reject your unprovable interpretations of the past but you seem to be extending that to include things I didn't say. I'm not even going to try to sort all that out.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't really get what's interesting or important about this topic, but some answers:
First I wouldn't say that "floods," plural, lay down flat strata, just THE worldwide Flood of Noah. Perhaps floods in general also do so, I just don't know, they seem mostly to leave a lot of shapeless mud coating or burying everything in their path, in my experience. Second, yes I think the Martian strata bear quite a bit of resemblance to those at Siccar Point, suggesting great erosion, which is visible on the Martian photos around all the strata in any case. Perhaps wind-caused? i mean it looks very dry. I didn't see Glowby's post until now. Answer is Yes I think I could easily distinguish the strata of Mars from yhose of Earth, given a good selection of examples. The main differences seem to be that the Martian strata seem to be all of one size and shape, and all of one sediment, not extensive thick layers such as we see on Earth, of different sediments. Perhaps Mars had a planet-wide flood in the same period as Earth's. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The evidence is in the posted pictures. I described how they look to me. If you disagree I'm not going to argue with you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You must not be talking about the strata in that pictur3e, which are almost completely buried in eroded sediment: They look like all the strata in those Martian pictures, all the same thickness, and not very thick.
You said something in the other post I forgot to answer about it being worldwide? Didn't I say I thought the Martian flood may also have been worldwide? Or am I not getting what you meant? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hundreds of feet is thick but that's the hill; the strata all look about the same thickness. What thickness for the individual strata then, about five feet maybe? Ten? Or you tell me.
I'm not making any "claims," Taq, I'm just responding to what has been said and the pictures that have been presented. I don't have a stake in any of this. It could be the result of a flood, or not; it could be all over the planet or not. It doesn't make any difference to me, I'm just describing what it looks like to me. You say the strata are ash and basalt, so are all the strata volcanic, then? In that case the strata formation would be a situation more like Mt. St. Helens than a flood. As for strata being formed in the Caribbean, I stick to the ones in the visible stratigraphic columns for whatever I say about strata. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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The Martian strata don't look much like Earth's, as I said, except to some extent similar to Siccar Point as Percy pointed out, due to the extreme erosion and splintery effect as a result. As I also said, they also look like they are made out of the same material and are all about the same thickness, which also differs from Earth's. They also are broken up into segments in a way Earth's strata aren't. From Taq's saying they are known to be of basalt and ash at least, I would suspect they are mostly volcanic, and for comparison I mentioned the rapid stratification of the material from the Mt. St. Helens eruption.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But Faith has decreed that the Flood "would be different" from everything we've ever observed and every experiment we've ever done. Yet there was no violation of physical laws and no miracle. Faith has also suggested, IIRC, that geology has ended. When the flood retreated, we no longer have geological processes except erosion, I guess. Golly gosh it's amazing what people think you said even when you've said something entirely different a hundred times. The Flood would be dramatically different from local floods is all I've ever said about that, because, well golly gee, it covered every scrap of land on earth while local floods just relocate some mud. And geology has ended? Amazing. I believe what I said was that the GEOLOGICAL COLUMN was finished when the Flood ended. I know there are sedimentary deposits still going on in odd places but they aren't the Geologic Column. That I believe is all I ever said that you might have misconstrued. But this is way off topic. The Martian strata are not the result of a flood. How about responding to the conclusion I came to that they are the result of a volcanic eruption? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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