The Common Ancestor?

It is certainly very helpful in this type of conversations with creationists. I found it informative and well-written. Personally I knew that my third cousin can't be my grandfather's grandfather.

Yes, speciation and determining when it actually happened is a tricky question and what a species mean don't seem to have one unambigious answer. It's more or less a label we humans need to be able to discuss these things using abstract language. In a funny way it seems something instinctively understood and when you look closer, it's a very complicated question. Thanks for your answer.

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Setting aside the point that was made ages ago in the first reply (humans are apes), my response is this:If there is a common ancestor to Tram Law, Desmond tutu and Akira Kurosawa, has it been found? If not, should that call into question the existence of their common ancestor?

One common ancestor for those three would be the first anatomically modern Homo sapiens sapiens, which is dated to about 200,000 years ago. Specimens have been found.

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Yes, obviously specimens of Homo Sapiens have been found.I was more thinking along lines it's an analogy to asking for a common ancestor species of all apes. Since my examples were single individuals, the common ancestor would also be a single individual. And it's just as clear to me that like we don't (not even creationists) doubt there is a common ancestor for modern humans, there's no reason to doubt there's an ancestral species to modern apes, whether it can be found and identified is irrelevant.

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There are a number of fossils that are ancestral to modern apes, but selecting a specific one depends on how far back you want to go.For example, there are fossils that represent the ape/monkey split dating back some 25 million years.