Glenn Morton's Evidence Examined

This is not true.Edited by petrophysics1, : No reason given.

So explain to me your reasons for drilling an oil and gas prospect at a certain place. No YEC can do this........you included.In fact for over a year you have not been able to tell me your method, procedure to determine the depositional environment of rocks. A Flood is a depositional environment....so tell us HOW you determined that.

First I think you need to explain to us how Old Earth dating is necessary to locating oil. You and others have many times asserted that this is the case but never explained it.As kbertsche said on the other thread YECs say it is possible to locate oil by relative dating of the rocks and a knowledge of their morphology. I don't see that the ancient dates add a thing to this formula. Those dates would locate the same rocks relative dating would locate and you still need to explore the morphology or arrangements of those rocks to know where the oil is.If you believe this is not the case please explain how adding millions of years to the mix changes things.

kbertsche doesn't know shit about sedimentation or stratigraphy.Ask him ,if he thinks he knows about it more than I do.I don't know that kbertsche said this. I doubt it as he doesn't strike me as a person who makes statements out of his area of expertise.Edited by petrophysics1, : No reason given.

I'm inclined to believe that the above is true, but...Understanding the processes that resulted in the geology and the relative dating and morphology leads to the conclusion of an old Earth.You have a huge compilation of "this happened, then this happened, etc., etc., etc.", which can't happen by realistic processes, in a YEC time framework.Moose

I quoted him in the OP and linked to the original statement. You can check it out.Since you do have expertise in sedimentation and stratigraphy, I think you should explain to us how you need the millions of years along with that expertise to find oil. I've many times wondered what the great ages could possibly add to what is basically a physical problem, but so far nobody has explained it. I hope you can.

So if you can find oil and gas using YEC geology...tell me how you do it.Explain to me how you use the relative dating and the "morphology" to find an unknown and undiscovered oil and gas deposit.I am sitting here waiting for the explanation of the methodology you use.

Well, you know what they say about " ... even a blind squirrel...".My viewpoint that it is possible, but the reason for using geology is to improve your chances of finding oil. And that has worked in the modern era, particularly with some of the new techniques and basin analysis.My only direct use of radiometric dating and oil exploration was as part of the study of the thermal history of a basin. Without a radiometric date, a given intrusive could not be fit into the story.Another direct use of evolutionary theory and old ages would be in palynology where we depend on evolutionary changes to provide data about target zones in drilling. The YEC geological interpretation would make this impossible.It would be hard to imagine oil exploration these days without some kind of understanding of sedimentary sequences. As we have seen on the last few threads, such things certainly don't fit into Faith's version of geology.Glad you're back, by the way...

Again, the idea that you personally find some proposed geological process ridiculous is an opinion without the least bit of persuasive power.Morton wanted to believe that the grand canyon was formed during the flood, but the evidence he encountered did not support such a belief. That, and not some story about what atheists believed was the source of Morton's dilemma. So the question remains, what is the basis of your belief that the grand canyon was formed in a matter of months? Morton was unable to find among his fellow YEC believers anyone who was able to say their experience in the field looking at the evidence that they saw with their own two eyes was explained using Flood geology.Yet your claim is essentially that Morton did not know what you know about what really happened. Such hubris.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Faith's position is even sillier. She is claiming that all the layers are sediment deposited by the flood and then the canyon created by outflow after the flood. She's got to present a model that will bring in (from ??? ) the sediments, sort them by type, deposit them in layers, somehow tilt up parts and erode parts away from between layers and the after all the layers are stratified have some run off form the canyon itself.That's gonna be interesting. Then maybe she can also 'splain the marine deposits raise over a mile above sea level.Old Earth and the Biblical Flood are simply to ludicrous to take seriously.

I'm not a geologist. But yes, that seems possible.But what you would lose, would be the ability to make sensible inferences about the age of strata and what that implies about the likelihood of finding oil. So while I expect it could work, a YEC would have a serious handicap compared to an OEC.In any case, I'm glad you are looking into this. I hope you will be honest with yourself as you do so. I was an OEC Christian, before I gave it up. It doesn't really require compromising any important theology, though you probably see that differently.I won't be pressuring you to change. But I do hope you will spend the effort to fully examine OEC.

Well that pretty much confirms my thought - you wouldn't get a canyon. The material above, being unconsolidated and under pressure would hardly wait for a canyon to form before collapsing.And that leaves aside the question of how you get the river drainage pattern - that makes sense for water flowing down from mountains or hills to join a river in a valley or canyon, but that scenario hardly applies without a solid surface - or the relative elevations.

Interesting that the thread has a lot of people agreeing that it's possible for YECs to find oil through relative dating and morphology of the rocks. I didn't expect that much agreement. That would be kbertsche, NoNukes, CatSci, Moose, nwr, even you.But of course most of you think a knowledge of OE dating methods is necessary for understanding how the rocks got that way, or in your case improves the chances of finding oil.Nothing yet has been explained about HOW it helps in the finding of oil though. This doesn't explain enough for me to grasp why any of it is needed. That's a very odd thing to say. Sedimentary sequences would certainly be part of a YECs knowledge that should be useful for finding oil.

Don't get your hopes up: young earth (YE) is a failed belief, and has been for a couple of hundred years.The ability of some to find oil using relative dating does not prove YE. When you consider the results of real dating, YE fails miserably no matter how much you might need to believe in it. Dozens of different methods, using different materials, all show the same thing: epic fail for YE!Even the simple radiocarbon dating I do shows YE to be false.[If you don't like the assumptions behind these dating methods, please explain why on the appropriate thread I started over a month ago just for that purpose.]

It's much more a mater of "understanding how the rocks got that way is an old Earth dating method".I think I'll use that as the message subtitle.Moose