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edge
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Message 166 of 1257 (788119)
07-26-2016 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Faith
07-26-2016 11:26 AM


Re: Cretaceous dinosaur fossils in area that was underwater for the whole time period
I understand how the seaway expanded and contracted. You are right that I don't see the connection with Walther's Law though, so perhaps you would perform a self-sacrificing kindness and explain it to me?
Here is a nice lady who will explain it to you. I would say that she is quite knowledgeable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSsULiPouTo
Note how she shows topography and a landscape above the sea level.

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Message 167 of 1257 (788120)
07-26-2016 11:30 AM
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07-26-2016 11:22 AM


Re: Cretaceous dinosaur fossils in area that was underwater for the whole time period
Here is my question. Why are you pretending that you can actually find clues about history in the strata, when your actual claim is that doing such a thing is the fatal flaw of the historical sciences? Isn't trying to read the past from such evidence exactly the same nonsense that you accuse geologists of doing?
It's a matter of persuasion to the most plausible argument in the end, that's all. However, It has occurred to me that an actual contradiction between the geological fantasies of the former time periods, and something like the observable shorelines of former bodies of water, could emerge and expose the fantasy.

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jar
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Message 168 of 1257 (788122)
07-26-2016 11:34 AM
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07-26-2016 11:30 AM


Ancient shorelines
Faith writes:
However, It has occurred to me that an actual contradiction between the geological fantasies of the former time periods, and something like the observable shorelines of former bodies of water, could emerge and expose the fantasy.
Fortunately Faith, the subject of ancient shorelines has been studied extensively over the last few hundred years and so there is a whole wealth of evidence, facts and knowledge on the subject.
To begin learning just Google "ancient shorelines".
Edited by jar, : fix link and appalin spallin

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Message 169 of 1257 (788123)
07-26-2016 11:35 AM
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07-26-2016 11:34 AM


Re: Ancient shorelines
Could very well be the needed contradiction there.

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jar
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Message 170 of 1257 (788124)
07-26-2016 11:37 AM
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07-26-2016 11:35 AM


Re: Ancient shorelines
Faith writes:
Could very well be the needed contradiction there.
Maybe, but it is certain that there is no support for either a Young Earth or any magic flood there.

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Message 171 of 1257 (788125)
07-26-2016 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
07-26-2016 11:17 AM


Re: Cretaceous dinosaur fossils in area that was underwater for the whole time period
quote:
There's no need to keep arguing with my beliefs. We will continue to have the occasional exchange of dogmas I'm sure but it's best just to leave it at that.
I don't think we should. Not if you are really trying to debate honestly. Denying clear facts just because you don't like them is the opposite of that. If you cannot even admit that he science of geology exists then too bad for you. You might as well leave right now because you are too mired in falsehood and pride to stand a chance - of winning or even engaging in genuinely honest discussion.
quote:
...there is also no contradiction between belief in God and science
I'll agree with that. But you don't - not really. Hurling lies and slander at the science that contradicts your beliefs pretty much proves. Every time you insist that you don't reject science you go and disprove your own claim.

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Message 172 of 1257 (788130)
07-26-2016 11:56 AM
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07-26-2016 11:30 AM


Re: Cretaceous dinosaur fossils in area that was underwater for the whole time period
It's a matter of persuasion to the most plausible argument in the end, that's all. However, It has occurred to me that an actual contradiction between the geological fantasies of the former time periods, and something like the observable shorelines of former bodies of water, could emerge and expose the fantasy.
For example, some people fantasize that the strata were formed during a universal flood; and our ability to find shorelines in the strata completely debunk this fantasy, since shorelines are one of the many topographic features attested to in the geological record that would not exist if the world was covered in water.

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Message 173 of 1257 (788131)
07-26-2016 12:06 PM
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07-26-2016 11:56 AM


and multiple shore lines
DA writes:
For example, some people fantasize that the strata were formed during a universal flood; and our ability to find shorelines in the strata completely debunk this fantasy, since shorelines are one of the many topographic features attested to in the geological record that would not exist if the world was covered in water.
But wait, there's more ...
what we do find is not just ancient shorelines but multiple sequential shorelines where water levels rose and retreated and rose yet again.
It is the same pattern of sequential layers found in varves and ice cores and tree rings and geological layers; indications that could never be produced by any single event.

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Message 174 of 1257 (788132)
07-26-2016 12:14 PM
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07-26-2016 12:06 PM


Re: and multiple shore lines
Any shore lines of worldwide extent, or continent-covering extent for that matter, have to be from the Flood.

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edge
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Message 175 of 1257 (788134)
07-26-2016 12:22 PM
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07-26-2016 12:14 PM


Re: and multiple shore lines
Any shore lines of worldwide extent, or continent-covering extent for that matter, have to be from the Flood.
Again, please review Walther's Law.

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Message 176 of 1257 (788135)
07-26-2016 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by edge
07-26-2016 11:26 AM


Re: Cretaceous dinosaur fossils in area that was underwater for the whole time period
My interpretation of scripture is the traditional orthodox interpretation, not at all idiosyncratic.
Then you should explain to us why so many Christians, along with numerous other sects, disagree with you.
Because you mostly get the oddballs in a debate like this, who want to "prove" that you can abuse scripture and still be a Christian. The orthodox believers who come here don't stay very long. I'm stu/pid enough to keep at it for some reason. Well, I really do believe creationists have proved OE science to be wrong, it's just a matter of getting the right evidence presented. (I am coming to believe, however, that God doesn't want us to win this argument. He wants us to know the truth through faith in Him, not through scientific evidence or any worldly means.)
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Or they are capitulation to reality. You know: God's works.
If you claim to understand how God works you need to know a lot more. Nothing can trump God's word, and nothing in God's word contradicts any actual truth about God's world either. It can't contradict science. That's one way I know the science about these things is wrong. However, I also think it's pretty obvious that it's wrong just looking at the actual facts. Even if I can't prove the contradiction between the strata and their clues and the reality, I know the reality was the Flood so all those clues are misleading you. One way of trying to say this is to try to get the reality across that the only actual landscape in any "time period" is a slab of rock, on which there could not possibly ever have been any other kind of landscape. It's so obvious to me it's constantly a puzzle how you all are so impervious to it.
As I said to coyote we can go on exchanging dogmas. How about we don't?
What do you think my dogma is?
Whatever standard Geology teaches
You know what you perceive to be the truth, based on the brainwashing you've received from your education.
I see. So, people who study the earth are brainwashed, but YECs are not.
Not "people who study the earth" but people who believe all the stuff Geology teaches, yes.

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edge
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Message 177 of 1257 (788137)
07-26-2016 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
07-26-2016 12:36 PM


Re: Cretaceous dinosaur fossils in area that was underwater for the whole time period
Because you mostly get the oddballs in a debate like this, who want to "prove" that you can abuse scripture and still be a Christian. The orthodox believers who come here don't stay very long. I'm stu/pid enough to keep at it for some reason. Well, I really do believe creationists have proved OE science to be wrong, it's just a matter of getting the right evidence presented.
So, your belief is proven even though you don't have the right evidence. That's an interesting take on it.
(I am coming to believe, however, that God doesn't want us to win this argument. He wants us to know the truth through faith in Him, not through scientific evidence or any worldly means.)
That's a convenient argument. You are right because God wants you to lose the argument. That's so .... Christian of a notion.
Are you being punished?
If you claim to understand how God works you need to know a lot more. Nothing can trump God's word, and nothing in God's word contradicts any actual truth about God's world either. It can't contradict science. That's one way I know the science about these things is wrong. However, I also think it's pretty obvious that it's wrong just looking at the actual facts. Even if I can't prove the contradiction between the strata and their clues and the reality, I know the reality was the Flood so all those clues are misleading you. One way of trying to say this is to try to get the reality across that the only actual landscape in any "time period" is a slab of rock, on which there could not possibly ever have been any other kind of landscape. It's so obvious to me it's constantly a puzzle how you all are so impervious to it.
But you keep showing us evidence for landscapes in the geological past. And you accuse us of being contradictory?
Whatever standard Geology teaches
How about standard astronomy?
It's really amazing that so many scientists can be so wrong and yet you, with no education at all, have found them in error.
My hat is off to you.
Not "people who study the earth" but people who believe all the stuff Geology teaches, yes.
So, learning about the earth has become irrelevant, yes? It's more about beliefs than learning.

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Message 178 of 1257 (788138)
07-26-2016 1:02 PM
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07-26-2016 12:36 PM


Re: Cretaceous dinosaur fossils in area that was underwater for the whole time period
How can you believe that the evidence supports you when you put so much effort into trying to pretend it doesn't exist ?
Seriously Faith, denying reality is not a winning strategy. Nor is complaining that your opponents disagree with you.

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Message 179 of 1257 (788139)
07-26-2016 1:17 PM


Well, the communication disconnects are way over the top now. No point in continuing.
Maybe I'll come up with a fresh approach to the OP topic. We'll see.

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Message 180 of 1257 (788140)
07-26-2016 1:18 PM
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07-26-2016 12:14 PM


Re: and multiple shore lines
Any shore lines of worldwide extent, or continent-covering extent for that matter, have to be from the Flood.
If the Earth was covered with water, there would be no shore.

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