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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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I put trust in a massive and honest search for the truth that has uncovered a huge amount of solid evidence over - literally - hundreds of years. You put your trust in assumptions based on sectarian dogma which runs heavily against the known evidence.
Trying to present the two positions as equivalent overlooks these facts.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Those are not facts; just your own personal prejudice. I know the truth and the truth includes the revelation of the Flood.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
If you know the truth, why are you denying it ?
The science of geology exists, Faith. It rejected the young Earth and the Flood because the evidence showed otherwise. This is fact. Denying it only discredits you and your faith.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Those are not facts; just your own personal prejudice. I know the truth and the truth includes the revelation of the Flood. Sorry Faith but once again you are simply wrong. No one doubts that you are basing your position on your faith but faith and fact are not the same thing.
Faith writes: The idea is that at some point a clear contradiction should be found between the depositional environment determined by the clues found in the rock strata, and the actual environment that is determined from shorelines and other clues to the six sequences of epeiric seas. Not because of any failure of the geologists but because the Flood would naturally contradict many of the supposed depositional environments. We all fully understand that but the reality is that not only has no clear contradiction ever been found between the depositional environment determined by the clues found in the rock strata, and the actual environment that is determined from shorelines and other clues to the six sequences of epeiric seas; every line of research in every field, physics, archeology, paleontology, chemistry, geology, biology, genetics and cultural history has shown that neither of the Biblical Flood stories ever happened. Those are not a matter of opinion but rather of fact. When the rocks contradict the book, believe the rocks. When physics contradicts the book, believe physics. When archeology contradicts the book, believe the archeology. When the evidence contradicts the book, believe the evidence. My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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But of course your faith is in OE geology, mine is in the Flood. I know I need better evidence, but I have faith that it's out there. And of course that's the difference between those who do science and those who do religious apologetics. Oh, and it is incorrect to refer to scientists having "faith" or "belief." Scientists follow the evidence where it leads. Add: I see someone used the word "trust" for science upthread. That's a far better term than "faith" or "belief." Edited by Coyote, : No reason given.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
I know the truth and the truth includes the revelation of the Flood.
Not really. You know what you perceive to be the truth, based on your idiosyncratic interpretation of scripture. You really have nothing to back it up.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There's no need to keep arguing with my beliefs. We will continue to have the occasional exchange of dogmas I'm sure but it's best just to leave it at that. There isn't anything new to say about any of it. It IS a matter of faith that scientists have, sorry, and there is also no contradiction between belief in God and science, sorry. We can keep doing the little dance of contrary dogmas if you like but I don't see the point.
I need a second wind to get back to the topic of this thread.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The idea is that at some point a clear contradiction should be found between the depositional environment determined by the clues found in the rock strata, and the actual environment that is determined from shorelines and other clues to the six sequences of epeiric seas. Not because of any failure of the geologists but because the Flood would naturally contradict many of the supposed depositional environments. The big error in your position (other than it being factually wrong) is that even if an unexplained contradiction was found between the depositional environment determined by the clues found in the rock strata, and the actual environment that is determined from shorelines and other clues to the six sequences of epeiric seas it would not add any support for the concept of some Biblical Flood having really happened. What is needed is not refutation of the current theory but rather actual support for the existence of some Biblical Flood and unfortunately no one has ever been able to find any evidence such an event ever happened. Worse, no one has ever even been able to present a Flood model. method, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob that might begin to explain any, much less all, of the evidence that is currently explained fully by long periods of time and a continuation of the forces, evolution, chemistry, biology, physics and geology we see in going on today.My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know the truth and the truth includes the revelation of the Flood. Not really. You know what you perceive to be the truth, based on your idiosyncratic interpretation of scripture. You really have nothing to back it up. You know what you perceive to be the truth, based on the brainwashing you've received from your education. My interpretation of scripture is the traditional orthodox interpretation, not at all idiosyncratic. The interpretations that find millions of years in scripture, and believe in evolution, those are idiosyncratic, nothing but capitulations to worldly dogmas. As I said to coyote we can go on exchanging dogmas. How about we don't? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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The idea is that at some point a clear contradiction should be found between the depositional environment determined by the clues found in the rock strata, and the actual environment that is determined from shorelines and other clues to the six sequences of epeiric seas. But you haven't found that yet. Your original idea did not pan out, so now we are waiting for you to come up with something else. Here is my question. Why are you pretending that you can actually find clues about history in the strata, when your actual claim is that doing such a thing is the fatal flaw of the historical sciences? Isn't trying to read the past from such evidence exactly the same nonsense that you accuse geologists of doing? Not that I share your opinion regarding geology and paleontology, but reading your posts in which you mangle the information in maps, and other posts in which you tell us that there is no evidence of soil or rivers or anything else in those rocks, all while basing your arguments on maps produced by geologists of what the terrain from millions of years ago does tickle my funny bone quite a bit. Surely it is impossible to accomplish your goal in this fashion unless those scientists were complete idiots. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
On the map in the textbook the seaway covers the whole area from the mountains on the west to the Great Lakes.
Well, that would be the maximum extent. The point is that it expanded in size from no seaway at all to the extent that you show. This is a direct application of Walther's Law, which you evidently embraced last year. My guess is that you really didn't understand how extensive marine strata form.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I haven't even got to my original idea. I got sidetracked. I expect to get back to it soon unless the snarky babble gets to me.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I understand how the seaway expanded and contracted. You are right that I don't see the connection with Walther's Law though, so perhaps you would perform a self-sacrificing kindness and explain it to me?
But unless I get a second wind on this issue I'm waiting for a second wind on the original OP topic and may go back to that one instead.
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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My interpretation of scripture is the traditional orthodox interpretation, not at all idiosyncratic.
Then you should explain to us why so many Christians, along with numerous other sects, disagree with you.
The interpretations that find millions of years in scripture, and believe in evolution, those are idiosyncratic, nothing but capitulations to worldly dogmas.
Or they are capitulation to reality. You know: God's works.
As I said to coyote we can go on exchanging dogmas. How about we don't?
What do you think my dogma is?
You know what you perceive to be the truth, based on the brainwashing you've received from your education.
I see. So, people who study the earth are brainwashed, but YECs are not.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: My interpretation of scripture is the traditional orthodox interpretation, not at all idiosyncratic. The interpretations that find millions of years in scripture, and believe in evolution, those are idiosyncratic, nothing but capitulations to worldly dogmas. Only one of the positions is dogma Faith and the other is very different from dogma, it is a willingness to base decisions on actual evidence and to change decisions when the evidence demands. You really need to learn some basics.My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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